Thread: What happened to your D3/D4 today?

Originally Posted by scarry

After having a D4 for almost 10yrs,and a LC200 for almost 5yrs,for those that want to move on,i would take the above comments with less than a grain of salt.

Sure the D4 handles and rides better,as it should,IS on all corners,and EAS.
But the LC is not that bad at all,particularly with KDSS.We found the seats in the LC to be way more comfortable than the D4.
Twice we have done 1200Km trips with just driver changes,once not even with a fuel stop,no issues at all.

As for faster,the published specs seem to be the opposite,and it certainly leaves our old D4, tuned, 2.7L well behind in the dust.But then again these vehicles are not racing cars.As for braking,who knows which is better,but the brakes on the LC are very good,and it weighs around 250KG heavier than our D4 did.

A luxurious light truck,is really is a laughable comment.

Our D4 was sold with around 100K on it,and had numerous issues over the years.
The LC has now done almost the same Ks,and not a single issue.Lower maintenance costs,no timing belts,LC arms,brakes seem to last longer,etc,etc.
Resale values are also way better,as are the number of accessories if needed,and GVM/GCM upgrades for those that want to tow the big weights legally.

The auto in the LC is no where near as well calibrated as the ZF,but a good tuner sorts that out,and it makes a world of difference.

Anyway,being a LR forum,i will now go hide under a rock,but facts are facts

So if i can summarise, the D4 handles better, but the LC is 'not that bad', and a new higher spec LC is more comfortable than an old base spec D4. Luxurious Light Truck, relative to the Disco sounds a fairly reasonable comment?

Discovery 4 in 3L guise 0-100 time is 8.1 seconds, compared to 8.6 seconds for the 200 series. 8.1 < 8.6, therefore Disco is faster, stock vs stock. Your 2.7 in stock form did it in ~12.4 seconds, so I don't doubt the LC feels quicker!

When I bought mine, the D4 was about half the price of a similar age/km land cruiser. That buys a lot of maintenance.

However the feeling of having some originality in the Australian 4WD scene, and not adopting Toyota fanboy status, is priceless.

Originally Posted by veebs

“However the feeling of having some originality in the Australian 4WD scene, and not adopting Toyota fanboy status, is priceless.”

Absolutely Classic Veebs! Thank you. As I said in a post about Diesel LSE’s D4 (Don), the 3.0L D4 is “Magnificent”. Vive le difference.

Best, Jeffoir.

Originally Posted by Disco4TT3

which oil are you running?

Hi Nuggets,
In the D3 and both D4s, I am running Penrite HPR 5W-40.
Jeffoir

Originally Posted by veebs

So if i can summarise, the D4 handles better, but the LC is 'not that bad', and a new higher spec LC is more comfortable than an old base spec D4. Luxurious Light Truck, relative to the Disco sounds a fairly reasonable comment?

Discovery 4 in 3L guise 0-100 time is 8.1 seconds, compared to 8.6 seconds for the 200 series. 8.1 < 8.6, therefore Disco is faster, stock vs stock. Your 2.7 in stock form did it in ~12.4 seconds, so I don't doubt the LC feels quicker!

When I bought mine, the D4 was about half the price of a similar age/km land cruiser. That buys a lot of maintenance.

However the feeling of having some originality in the Australian 4WD scene, and not adopting Toyota fanboy status, is priceless.

I like the “twice we’ve done trips of 1,200km with just driver change’s”

I do that length drive solo almost every 1-2 weeks in the D4.

Recent trip to Canberra was leaving Whyalla at 4am and hopped out of the vehicle in ACT at 9:30pm that same day.
Single driver, regular walk around breaks…

The 50 minute drive to the mines in a 200 is enough to induce DVT and sea sickness

Originally Posted by Tombie

I like the “twice we’ve done trips of 1,200km with just driver change’s”

I do that length drive solo almost every 1-2 weeks in the D4.

Recent trip to Canberra was leaving Whyalla at 4am and hopped out of the vehicle in ACT at 9:30pm that same day.
Single driver, regular walk around breaks…

The 50 minute drive to the mines in a 200 is enough to induce DVT and sea sickness

friends of ours have a 200, been in it a few times, driven it once, what a piece of crap compared to the D4 in every way
the up side is they are solid and reliable with Toyota service availability but in reality they are no more reliable than a good D4 and use 4 litres more fuel per 100 km

Originally Posted by scarry

After having a D4 for almost 10yrs,and a LC200 for almost 5yrs,for those that want to move on,i would take the above comments with less than a grain of salt.

Sure the D4 handles and rides better,as it should,IS on all corners,and EAS.
But the LC is not that bad at all,particularly with KDSS.We found the seats in the LC to be way more comfortable than the D4.
Twice we have done 1200Km trips with just driver changes,once not even with a fuel stop,no issues at all.

As for faster,the published specs seem to be the opposite,and it certainly leaves our old D4, tuned, 2.7L well behind in the dust.But then again these vehicles are not racing cars.As for braking,who knows which is better,but the brakes on the LC are very good,and it weighs around 250KG heavier than our D4 did.

A luxurious light truck,is really is a laughable comment.

Our D4 was sold with around 100K on it,and had numerous issues over the years.
The LC has now done almost the same Ks,and not a single issue.Lower maintenance costs,no timing belts,LC arms,brakes seem to last longer,etc,etc.
Resale values are also way better,as are the number of accessories if needed,and GVM/GCM upgrades for those that want to tow the big weights legally.

The auto in the LC is no where near as well calibrated as the ZF,but a good tuner sorts that out,and it makes a world of difference.

Anyway,being a LR forum,i will now go hide under a rock,but facts are facts

At risk of prolonging this discussion... but I'll claim a right of reply..

You must have different seats to my boy's car, as his are not comfortable at all.
And I remember one of my mates buying a new LC200 about 6 yrs ago and he fitted Recaro's to it.

Regardless of suspension design, the D3/4's handle and ride much better. It's as simple as that!
No need to attend to the ZF, it is spot on without the need to sort it.

That Aisin tranny simply doesn't know which gear it wants to be in; and you have to be doing at least 90 kph for it to decide to change to top gear, then at the slightest opportunity it'll drop down a gear or two.
My D4 "idles" at approx 1200 rpm in 8th at 80 kph on the flat.

Mine's about to hit 226,000 klms and no probs whatsoever.
Sure, I changed the inlet manifolds at about 186,00 from memory but that was only 'cos I was about to do an 11,786 klm caravan trip from Hobart to Cairns and return and didn't want a potential hassle.
I often wonder what klms they "may" have failed at.

My son's LC200 is going in to the Launceston Dealer this coming Monday for, quote, "DPF, injectors, and inlet" (whatever 'inlet' means!)
He thinks/hopes it is subject to warranty as the Dealer has given him the impression that is the case.

For interest, I follow Musso & LDV 4WD on F/book.
Boy oh boy do they have annoying, stupid problems!
As we are all aware, all new vehicles are having their fair share of problems, some not serious, some quite serious.

The D3/4 is an extremely rewarding vehicle to drive (if you like driving), particularly on long trips, and if you service and maintain it properly they are no worse than any other 4WD of same vintage.

Originally Posted by veebs

....However the feeling of having some originality in the Australian 4WD scene, and not adopting Toyota fanboy status, is priceless.

I do like looking around the parking yards when leaving or returning to my car and not seeing another D3 or even a Land Rover, of course I always like seeing another Landy too. Like yesterday there was a white RRS when I arrived but it was gone on my return after a haircut.

I love it when from time to time I load all seven seats in my Disco with my Toyota owning friends and they are all Ooing and Ahring over how comfortable it is in back seat and how the 3rd row is actually adult size.

I get picked up regularly by a 200 owning friend and I can’t squeeze myself into the passenger seat without seriously bending my neck to avoid the steep slope of the A pillar. Its very odd

All the Aisins have been duds. Another friend has a Hilux and the inability to hold top gear drives him nuts.

Not to mention the lead designer from Kelvinator assisted in the LC external design process. Loll