Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 30

Thread: What do I replace my dead D3 with? D3, D4 or RRS?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    863
    Total Downloaded
    142.79 MB

    What do I replace my dead D3 with? D3, D4 or RRS?

    So while I'm sitting at home watching the bruises come out, and the aches to settle down, I'm pondering my replacement options for my old D3.
    I have had a preference for petrol for a long time, probably due to the threads I've seen on issues with the 6 cyl diesel engines, but I also know 2 things.
    1. Forums traditionally are about "how to fix problems" and
    2. There are a lot more diesel disco out there, than petrol.
    I called and spoke to a Land Rover indy guy yesterday and he gave me some interesting info.
    Diesel D3's up to 2007 are the most reliable of the 2.7 models.
    After 2007 there was a new E4(?) fuel system/pump which was not as good as the older system.
    The later, post 2007 2.7 engines also seem to have more crank failures.
    The 3.0 diesels aren't as big a problem with cranks, but do have turbo and manifold issues.
    To replace a dead 2.7 is around $10K, to replace a dead 3.0 is around $18K.
    The TDV8 diesel is the more reliable of the diesel powerplants.
    I don't want to start any wars, but does anyone have any advice on this info?
    I am currently looking around at V8 petrol Discos (the SC models are out of the price range), and also looking at the TDV8 RRS.
    I know they are not fuel misers, and was quite happy with what I was getting from my old V6 petrol.
    I need the towing capacity of my old Disco for our 2.5T van, and I want the space for carrying "stuff", but I do know the RRS is a little smaller in the back area.
    2012 L320 Range Rover Sport Fuji White
    REMLR 012
    No 5 Trailer ARN 177-295
    2006 Disco 3, 4L V6 Petrol SE Deceased Feb 26 2023
    SOLD Engineers Trailer - no id
    SOLD RAAF 231194 Perentie 110 GS - SIR ANGUS
    SOLD 4MP COY Series 3 FFR 30-209

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Universe A
    Posts
    2,645
    Total Downloaded
    0
    My take as an independent nobody is:

    Early 2.7 fuel system is more robust but will still have the weaker oil pump, but can be changed.

    Later 2.7 has more fuel system issues but it's still reasonably robust but has the weaker oil pump.

    The last of the 2.7 allegedly had the newer oil pump, but I'd still be changing it, some had problems with spun bearings.

    In my experience the 3 litre is by FAR the worst for reliability, snapped cranks, turbos inlet manifolds.

    I'd personally pick the last of the 2.7 in the D4.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    St Helena,Melbourne
    Posts
    16,770
    Total Downloaded
    1.13 MB
    Agree with shack, late 2.7 is the go. I don't agree with the post 07 2.7 problems, if anything they are better but ALL 2.7's are fallible to the weak pump and it just comes down to maintenance . D4's seem to have come down a lot in price so a neat 2.7 D4 should be in your price range.
    MY08 TDV6 SE D3- permagrin ooh yeah
    2004 Jayco Freedom tin tent
    1998 Triumph Daytona T595
    1974 VW Kombi bus
    1958 Holden FC special sedan

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    863
    Total Downloaded
    142.79 MB
    Awesome, thank for the feedback guys.
    2012 L320 Range Rover Sport Fuji White
    REMLR 012
    No 5 Trailer ARN 177-295
    2006 Disco 3, 4L V6 Petrol SE Deceased Feb 26 2023
    SOLD Engineers Trailer - no id
    SOLD RAAF 231194 Perentie 110 GS - SIR ANGUS
    SOLD 4MP COY Series 3 FFR 30-209

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Perth, AU
    Posts
    1,002
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Can't comment with authority on the failure rates, though I'm certainly happy with my 3.0L for power and economy. The discos, as you mention, are also king in terms of rear storage - square shape, and big.

    That said, the RRS of similar years, with it's TDV8 is attractive, and if you can reorganise to utilise it's boot, it could well be a solid option. They also have Supercharged petrols..

    The other option that may be worth consideration is a 'proper' range rover? If you're in the used market, and have some experience up your sleeve, you will know what you're getting in to, but could well be worth it.

    That all said, sticking with a disco, in the 2.7L engine, means anything you've added to your old rig will likely transfer across (roof racks, dual battery systems etc)
    2010 TDV6 3.0L Discovery 4 SE remapped to RRS output, Alaska White, GME XRS-330c, IIDTool BT, Dual Battery, Apple CarPlay, OEM Retrofitted: Cornering lights, Door card lights, Power + Heated Seats, Logic 7 audio

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Location
    Hobart, Tasmania
    Posts
    561
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I had a 2009 RRS TDV8, bought it from a Newcastle dealer at 85,000 klms and it was a lovely car and towed the 3.0T c/van easily and although I don't monitor my fuel economy I never considered it was excessive even when towing the van. The only reason I sold it was 'cos it gave some minor suspension problems around 120,000 klms and I must admit that I freaked out and talked myself out of it. Extremely stupid I woz.

    Sold it and bought a new Isuzu Mux which was dreadful in more ways than one, so kept it approx 12 months then bought what I have now, an MY13 D4 3.0 diesel.

    I am very intrigued about the cracked inlet manifold saga and the extremely varying klms when they crack. I've now done 182,000 and no probs, yet read of them going at 100,000 klms. I intend replacing mine prior June when I take the van to the mainland, and don't want any hassles, so preventative m/ance is the key here, and the oil cooler will also be done.

    But I am digressing. I've found the D4 tows the van better than the RRS and put that down to the slightly longer wheelbase and the updated suspension/brakes which apparently was done in MY13.

    Now it has a Cambo tune with 210Kw and 700Nm which is more than the TDV8 RRS had, so I am delighted with the package. Fuel economy according to the car's 'puter (which I realise can be optimistic) is the same and the extra grunt is delightful.
    Before: Ser 2a LWB, Ser 3 S/W, 1979 RR 2 door, 1981 LR Stage 1 V8 (new), 1985 LR 110 V8 County (new), 2009 RRS TDV8
    Now: MY13 D4 TDV6. "E" rear diff. Cambo's magic Engine & Auto Tune. 1968 Austin 1800 Mk1 auto (my 5th)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    2,070
    Total Downloaded
    0
    As much as I like my 3.0, I think that it’s the worst ever happens to the motor I’d definitely be considering a TDV8 conversion. From what I’ve heard, they’re crazy reliable
    "Land Rover - making mechanics out of everyday motorists for nearly 70 years"

  8. #8
    NavyDiver's Avatar
    NavyDiver is online now Very Very Lucky! Gold Subscriber
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    10,247
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I was always biased by the 17 inch tires I could fit on a D3. Noting I did not put them on much or nearly enough

    I have always felt my 2 d3 TDV6 towing capacity /economy a significant plus. 3 tonne ish boat tow was hardly a change to my fuel use. A petrol car I had prior to the Disco had a over 30% hit to economy with the same boat. (Lexus RX 350)

    The thoughts and experiences above are interesting plus.

    Good luck with your choice.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Point Cook, VIC
    Posts
    2,472
    Total Downloaded
    0

    What do I replace my dead D3 with? D3, D4 or RRS?

    For me - a V8 D4 would be the next step up from the D3 or a low KM TDV8 RRS (as long as I never take a V8SC RRS for a test drive)

    I would only consider the 3.0 TDV6 if it was in the new Ranger or Everest.

    Given you are already use to the fuel consumption of the 4.0L petrol, I would expect you will be able to get better fuel economy with the 5.0L V8.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Mount Eliza
    Posts
    9
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Hi all,

    I have had 4 x D4's and currently have a RRS (L494 2015 HSE SDV6). (I also has a D3, Freelander and Disco Sport but thats not relevant to your question)

    So my experience is based on real owner experience, not what I read from people complaining on forums....people generally don't post on forums that "they have not had troubles".

    The first D4 was petrol and fuel consumption was high, especially around town.

    The 2nd (2009 with 330,000 kms when sold), 3rd (2014 with 180,000 kms) and 4th D4s (2016 with 140,000 kms) were all 3.0 diesels. Never had a broken crank or any turbo failure etc. Only normal wear and tear (controls arms, a/c compressors, alternators etc) + 1 cracked manifold out of the lot and no oil coolers.

    The 8 speed is much better than the 6 speed, in many ways (apart rom the dial in the D4)

    The RRS L494 is a lot nicer to drive than the D4 but is not nearly as practical if you want to car a load in the rear (seats don't fold flat and load space is comparatively small)

    Value for money, I would go a late D4 with an 8 speed box, a really good service history and as many options as suit you.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Search AULRO.com ONLY!
Search All the Web!