Thread: Diesel vs Petrol

Originally Posted by RonMcGr

One other thing to look at.
The V6TD is a special engine, from Jaguar, developed and toughened by Land Rover. It will be expensive to repair or replace.

From what I've heard, the V6 petrol is similar to the Jaguar S Type and there are plenty of those around, at good prices

I thought the TDV6 was a Peugeot motor and the V6 petrol a Ford Explorer motor.

Ron

Originally Posted by Aedo

Cheers All,

I do have significant experience with other diesel 4x4s and understand the general preference for diesel - but economically the diesel really doesn't cut it (as per HSVRangie's comments - my calcs were similar). Mark - thanks for your specific fuel figures for petrol vs diesel - your petrol figure is better than I used!

On a performance basis the petrol one seems marginally quicker on road (haven't had a chance to test drive either yet) and I imagine will be more than adequate off road (despite noteably lower torque than the diesel). The range and fuel availablilty issues are very good points and I will give that some more thought - as we have small kids we don't tend to travel too far off the beaten track.

I guess I am really seeking to find if there is a "fatal flaw" in the current petrol SE price but it doesn't seem so Hopefully will find the right vehicle very soon!

Many thanks for your help - I'll be back looking for places to take it now!!

Cheers
Aedo

Buy the petrol. use $$ to
Fit kaymar rear bar with wheel carrier-s.
fit bull bar and winch.
fit long range tank.range solved.

starts to make sense.

Michael.

Originally Posted by p38arover

I thought the TDV6 was a Peugeot motor and the V6 petrol a Ford Explorer motor.

Ron

correct

Another option is to look at a demo model as opposed to brand new. Thats what I did and saved nearly 15K off the list price

Originally Posted by cartm58

i often wonder about people thinking processes your about to layout $60,000 plus to buy a car that will lose 20% in first year value due to government taxes, depreciation and market values for the vehicle and your worrying about the fuel pump economy between diesel and petrol versions of the vehicle.

If you were concerned about value for money you wouldnt buy a new 4wd in the first place, spend $20, 000 to $30,000 and get a second hand series 2 with all the fruit and put the $40,000 plus savings into shares or your superannuation.

That's why I'm working the engine in my P38A. It's a lot cheaper than upgrading and, besides, where would I get a car as well equipped as the HSE RR for the money.

I made the mistake of selling my last RR which was all set up for off-roading (LR tank, MaxiDrive, 4.6 engine on LPG, winch bar and winch, driving lights, rear bar, roof rack, drawers, radios, diff guards, etc.) and buying the P38A which had nothing - and still isn't set up properly.

Ron

Hi Aedo and welcome to AULRO.

As to your choice, when my wife bought her V6 SE D3 two years ago we looked at all the pros and cons for both the V6 and the TDV6 and at that time the difference was only $8,000 and even this difference did not justify the presumed advantages for a diesel over a petrol.

Add to the fact that the D3’s TDV6 is a dog compered to the V6 and I can’t understand why it is.

I have the straight 6 Diesel in my Rangie and it floors the wife’s V6 and the wife’s V6 floors a TDV6 D3.

The one and only advantage the diesel has over the petrol, as mentioned above, is the range per tank full and for a fraction of the difference in cost between the V6 and TDV6, you can fit a larger tank to a V6.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by drivesafe

Hi Aedo and welcome to AULRO.

As to your choice, when my wife bought her V6 SE D3 two years ago we looked at all the pros and cons for both the V6 and the TDV6 and at that time the difference was only $8,000 and even this difference did not justify the presumed advantages for a diesel over a petrol.

Add to the fact that the D3’s TDV6 is a dog compered to the V6 and I can’t understand why it is.

I have the straight 6 Diesel in my Rangie and it floors the wife’s V6 and the wife’s V6 floors a TDV6 D3.

The one and only advantage the diesel has over the petrol, as mentioned above, is the range per tank full and for a fraction of the difference in cost between the V6 and TDV6, you can fit a larger tank to a V6.

Cheers.

Thanks drivesafe! This is really the answer I was looking for!!

Originally Posted by HSVRangie

Buy the petrol. use $$ to
Fit kaymar rear bar with wheel carrier-s.
fit bull bar and winch.
fit long range tank.range solved.

starts to make sense.

Michael.

Makes very good sense!!

Thanks

Originally Posted by p38arover

I thought the TDV6 was a Peugeot motor and the V6 petrol a Ford Explorer motor.

Ron

Ron,

Check out: http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/in.../2005/6070.asp

Jaguar's V8 Diesel

by David Morgan (11 May 05)
<snip>
This autumn, the current XJ flagship gains the 2.7-litre V6TD engine already used in the latest S-Type and Land Rover's new Discovery and Range Rover Sport.
<snip>
Although the twin-turbo 206bhp 2.7TD in the S-Type and the 193bhp single turbocharged 2.7TDV6 in Discovery are well-suited to their tasks, there's no denying the market needs a Jaguar/Land Rover TDV8 for prestige XJ models, Ranger Rover and the Sport.
<snip>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Discovery

"The engines used in the Discovery 3 were all taken from Land Rover's sister company, Jaguar. A 2.7-litre, 195 horsepower (145 kW) V6 diesel engine (the TdV6) was intended to be the biggest seller in Europe. For the US-market and as the high-performance option elsewhere, a 4.4 litre petrol V8 of 300 horsepower (223 kW) was chosen. A 216 horsepower 4.0-litre sohc V6 petrol engine taken from the Ford stable was available in North America and Australia. Before launch, there were rumours that Land Rover may introduce the diesel unit to the American market, but the use of high-sulphur diesel fuel there, for which the TdV6 is not designed, made this fitment unlikely."

As far as I'm aware, Landrover are still using Jaguar engines and next year the Ford Falcon will have the new Jaguar 5 litre V8

Cheers,
Ron