Thread: Buying Range Rover sport

Ordered mine mid Dec and was ready about 10 days ago (SDV6) but I took a building slot in June (!), either Velar or RRS. ULR Melbourne has a SDV8 2018 in the showroom. m

Originally Posted by Oakey17

Sdv8 seems to have enough performance without the guilt of to big a fuel bill.

The big fuel bill is a bit of a myth in reality. Modern petrols are far more efficient than the old V8s of yesteryear. Any difference in fuel economy is a small price to pay for the smooth quiet and wide power band. Saving a few hundred dollars per year on a 100k+ car doesn't make the maths. Especially when a replacement DPF is over $3k..that's a decade of fuel. So don't feel guilty it's actually the sensible choice.

Originally Posted by Burble

The big fuel bill is a bit of a myth in reality. Modern petrols are far more efficient than the old V8s of yesteryear. Any difference in fuel economy is a small price to pay for the smooth quiet and wide power band. Saving a few hundred dollars per year on a 100k+ car doesn't make the maths. Especially when a replacement DPF is over $3k..that's a decade of fuel. So don't feel guilty it's actually the sensible choice.

I've always owned diesels and my reasons are as folllows:-

1) Better off road and by using miles less lets you do more miles, petrol's are very thirsty in low range and slow going compared to diesels.
2) Better fuel economy on road.
3) Better resale, second hand buyers in Australia want to be grey nomads and tow a van.

All these do add up to good savings , not that you buy a RRS for these reasons. I had a mate who said why buy a diesel Land cruiser , some years ago as he said the fuel savings would not be made up when you looked at the price difference. He purchase petrol I purchased diesel. Come sale time I got $15k better which with the fuel savings and even higher start price was way better than his overall result.

Just got another fault code today. Been awhile but limp home mode with red triangle. Put my diagnostic tool on and turned out to be a high pressure common rail sender bank 1. Hope the gremlins stay away
hope it isn't a trip to the dealer, will see if it returns. Typical Range Rover issue electrical !

I've always owned diesels too, and still got a old diesel, but won't own a new one. The emissions regulations means the common fail diesels are too complex and expensive to keep running. Have a look at the number of LandCruisers that are blowing turbos and motors on their owners forum. Petrols are so much simpler and more reliable.

Diesel is trading on its legacy reputation but people are starting to wise up. Even the low range argument is a mute point these days.. for a full day of slow going low range you'd be lucky to cover 80km. Even if the petrol used 30% more in those conditions, which it doesn't, you are only talking about an extra 20km of range.

Originally Posted by Burble

I've always owned diesels too, and still got a old diesel, but won't own a new one. The emissions regulations means the common fail diesels are too complex and expensive to keep running. Have a look at the number of LandCruisers that are blowing turbos and motors on their owners forum. Petrols are so much simpler and more reliable.

Diesel is trading on its legacy reputation but people are starting to wise up. Even the low range argument is a mute point these days.. for a full day of slow going low range you'd be lucky to cover 80km. Even if the petrol used 30% more in those conditions, which it doesn't, you are only talking about an extra 20km of range.

Actually I don't think petrol's are simpler these days, they are going to common rail injection, and have the complexity of the electrical system. Turbos should last forever, look at Diesel trucks which run all the same systems, they are much more reliable these days than the older ones. I think most diesel issue come from using the vehicle for short distances.

Originally Posted by Bails

Actually I don't think petrol's are simpler these days, they are going to common rail injection, and have the complexity of the electrical system. Turbos should last forever, look at Diesel trucks which run all the same systems, they are much more reliable these days than the older ones. I think most diesel issue come from using the vehicle for short distances.

No EGRs, No turbos (on most engines) which also removes intercoolers and associated piping, No DPF or Urea injection, much lower fuel pressures with only one pump and less susceptibility to dirty fuel are some of the differences.

Also a lot of the diesels have twin turbos and their associated componentry which adds to the complexity.

In the main petrols have a catalytic converter and evaporative emissions as added emissions plumbing and the rest is done by fuel injection timing, ignition timing and cam timing. The ignition system is additional to a diesel but it seems they have them pretty sorted these days.

All of the above plus direct injection, variable vane turbos, electronic injection timing, oil air seperators, EGR coolers, significantly higher demand on the cooling system, and horrendous replacement costs of injectors and DPFs.

The electrical system in a petrol has evolved a long way from old dizzy and coil. It's now all solid state ECMs that are very mature and proven.

I don't think the truck point is relevant as the big Cummins etc engines are still old school indirect injected, high compression, pushrod, iron block engines - nothing like the passenger class of diesel. Few owners would accept the refinement of a truck engine in their passenger cars.