Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

You'll recall these slides from early in the piece:


Jaguar Land Rover Shows Off MLA Platform, Teases Three All-New Models | Carscoops

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Next Land Rover Defender likely to keep boxy roots



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The outline image of the Defender appears to be quite accurate, from what we know so far. This is why I'm suggesting a chamfered bonnet - and a sloping roof.

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Sloping roof and bonnet visible on tusk [emoji41]

Everyone keeps losing sight of the big picture.
Land Rover are a luxury car manufacturer.
They don't give a flying fig about commercial users anymore!
They were trying to kill the Defender for years, but it still gives them street cred, just like the Wrangler does for Jeep.
They will target singles and young couples/young families who life in cities with high disposable incomes and an 'active' lifestyle.
They are selling a dream!

As Steve keeps saying it will be a macho looking but entirely SUV style 4x4.
That's their target market and has been since Ford bought them and then spun them off to Tata

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Originally Posted by rick130

Everyone keeps losing sight of the big picture.
Land Rover are a luxury car manufacturer.
They don't give a flying fig about commercial users anymore!
They were trying to kill the Defender for years, but it still gives them street cred, just like the Wrangler does for Jeep.
They will target singles and young couples/young families who life in cities with high disposable incomes and an 'active' lifestyle.
They are selling a dream!

As Steve keeps saying it will be a macho looking but entirely SUV style 4x4.
That's their target market and has been since Ford bought them and then spun them off to Tata

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Could not agree more. Hit the nail on the head.

Yep. It's easy to get sucked in too. The cost of new luxury Euro brand 4wds and even top end work utes has become silly. I mean $100k for a D5 is silly. Just compare it to the value of your house to see how silly it is.

Unfortunately the trend is that people want perfection and no compromises and so vehicle manufacturers meet (and exploit) that.

If people were not prepared to work with or around compromises Triton would be the biggest selling 4wd ute on the market by far.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by rick130

Everyone keeps losing sight of the big picture.
Land Rover are a luxury car manufacturer.
They don't give a flying fig about commercial users anymore!
They were trying to kill the Defender for years, but it still gives them street cred, just like the Wrangler does for Jeep.
They will target singles and young couples/young families who life in cities with high disposable incomes and an 'active' lifestyle.
They are selling a dream!

As Steve keeps saying it will be a macho looking but entirely SUV style 4x4.
That's their target market and has been since Ford bought them and then spun them off to Tata

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Largely agree, but it's not going to be an "SUV" - there's no way that an X5 or Kluger would be able to do any of the trails the pilots did at at Moab.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Largely agree, but it's not going to be an "SUV" - there's no way that an X5 or Kluger would be able to do any of the trails the pilots did at at Moab.

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But a commercial type 4x4 it won't be.

And it's surprising what you can do in a car type 4x4.
In high school I remember taking my school mates dad's brand new Subaru Leonie dual range wagon up The Oaks fire tail from Glenbrook to Linden in the pouring rain.
Back then it was considered a proper 4wd track.
Careful wheel placement is the name of the game. (Mountain bikers and hikers only for the last near 30 years!)

Having said that I encountered a bloke bouncing a '77 Celica from rock step to rock step down it once! [emoji33][emoji23]

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Yep. It's easy to get sucked in too. The cost of new luxury Euro brand 4wds and even top end work utes has become silly. I mean $100k for a D5 is silly. Just compare it to the value of your house to see how silly it is.

Unfortunately the trend is that people want perfection and no compromises and so vehicle manufacturers meet (and exploit) that.

If people were not prepared to work with or around compromises Triton would be the biggest selling 4wd ute on the market by far.

Cheers

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Mate had a triton nearly everything in car replaced under warranty including engine a few times, dif, gearbox..admitted was lemon, got offered new model for cash difference. Who knows what the new one will be like.

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Originally Posted by rick130

But a commercial type 4x4 it won't be.

And it's surprising what you can do in a car type 4x4.
In high school I remember taking my school mates dad's brand new Subaru Leonie dual range wagon up The Oaks fire tail from Glenbrook to Linden in the pouring rain.
Back then it was considered a proper 4wd track.
Careful wheel placement is the name of the game. (Mountain bikers and hikers only for the last near 30 years!)

Having said that I encountered a bloke bouncing a '77 Celica from rock step to rock step down it once! [emoji33][emoji23]

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One could argue that the work it will do at tusk is commercial, however i agree in its current format won't be suitable for all types of work.

D5 has a commercial version suitable for some types of work, governments and their agencies have been buying them in bulk, I would say largely due to their all-terrain capability, safety, payload and interior space.

Of any Land Rover product the new defender will be in fact the most suitable for work of any.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Mate had a triton nearly everything in car replaced under warranty including engine a few times, dif, gearbox..admitted was lemon, got offered new model for cash difference. Who knows what the new one will be like.

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What year mate? I know quite a few people (mates) with them and have had great runs with them.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Largely agree, but it's not going to be an "SUV" - there's no way that an X5 or Kluger would be able to do any of the trails the pilots did at at Moab.

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Bollox, Anything a D5 or LR2020 can do at Moab has been done thousands of times in Home brand "SUV's" straight off the showroom, just check youtube , Moab Ford Escape , or Explorer . I would not exactly describe any Ford 4x4 as 'capable ' and nothing at Moab is what I would describe as 'difficult' .