Won’t be retro...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SeanMurr123

I think you are overestimating the reliability.. Control electronics have a pretty big job to do in electric cars.
How they manage power flow in and out of the batteries is not a simple job and a bank of batteries can be killed pretty easily. You should spend some time talking with some rc car guys and see the money and upgrades they spend on speed controllers, batteries, chargers etc.

Look at F1 and you'll see its more often the MGU-K, MGU-H, or the control elecs causing trouble than the ICE.
Watch the youtube vid of Tiff Needel trying the Tesla Model S race car and see it go into low power mode after half a lap because it overheated.

Elec cars of some sort, maybe battery, maybe hydrogen, maybe something else will be the future but ICE needs to be around for a long time yet because the technology hasn't developed enough for main stream adoption.

---

I respectively disagree here, I have been into R/C and for almost as long as Ive been into 4x4's and Electronics since I was a kid, I'm no expert but know enough just enough to be dangerous.

Unlike F1 ICE cars, EV's do not use MGU-K, MGU-H systems, the Electric motor itself becomes a generator under regenerative braking.

I'm not really worried about overheating batteries in a Tesla Model S race car which was designed as a road car , but I am interested in the fact that a Tesla Model 3 , has a design life of 1,000,000 miles , and very soon that will include the battery.

My own daily driver LandRover EV conversion has been 100% reliable in the 16 months since it first rolled out on my shed, Out performes the ICE version in any test you like but Never had the batteries more than 5deg above ambient . No wasted energy through heat produced by engine , exhaust or brakes, And in 8000km it has not cost a cent to run . I expect the batteries to easily last 300,000km and the motor and control electronics should easily last 50 -100 years, no problems (unless it gets hit by lightning whilst charging) .

I dont care if the ICE loving generation wants to keep throwing money at the Arabs for their oil, the fact is they wont be able too for very long, the world is switching to EV , Australia don't manufacture cars so the options will be , keep your clunker running , take a bus , or buy an EV.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by goingbush

I dont care if the ICE loving generation wants to keep throwing money at the Arabs for their oil

---

If paying arabs is such a bad thing, there are other sources for oil including bio

Saudi Arabia already have billion dollar hedge investments in EVs. Plus the crude thats needed to build them. So hopefully you are not hoping to boycot 'arab exports' entirely.

You cant beat solar charging your car. But the future of road travel is fully tracked pay per km. When solar powered evs take over there will be no free rides.

That said, reduced dependence on foreign oil for transport is needed. Has been for a long time.

Oh FFS ! Ev's are coming wether you like it or not .

Frankly I don't care what other people do any more that I give a **** if they waste money on cigarettes , they know its bad for them but have no regard for them selves or others .

I think ive made my point , I'll leave others to argue about the technicalities , Im not a lobbyist so wont mention any more on the topic here, wrong thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiscoClax

Pretty sure there's a bloke that has put his old Crown Vic through significant parts of it. Mountain biker guy.

---

Define significant parts [emoji1787]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by goingbush

Oh FFS ! Ev's are coming wether you like it or not .

---

They are already here, and for the record: I like! I have/had a Tesla model X, an amazing car. But the battery pack is rediculous.

Anyway agree, wrong thread.

So, is the new defender out yet?

What, there’s a new Defender coming out? When did they stop building the old one? [emoji26]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Define significant parts [emoji1787]

---

I'd have to dig out the videos on MeTube. Impressive where you can take a normal sedan. But we've all (probably) taken on road cars off... haven't we? Not trying to denigrate what the Defo pilots were tackling at all. I'm sure it'll be quite off road capable and pretty amazing in that regard.

The major difference between a "off road capable" vehicle and a SUV is not so much the capability to get along the track once, but the capability to do it every day throughout its life without something breaking or falling off. After all, the extreme capability is rarely used, and for most owners, never.

As an example, in the sixty years I have been driving Landrovers, I can think of only three occasions when I have tested the wading depth, only one in the last twenty years, and none in the last ten. What does get a regular test is the resistance to damage when hitting objects with the under parts, resistance to damage underneath from stones and sticks, resistance to damage and vibration driving long distance on rough roads (including corrugations) for years without bits falling off, and the ability to hit a 50kg roo at 100kph without disabling damage. The ability to drive into town with the confidence that if there is a small tree down across the road I can drive over it without damage to the car.

This sort of capability cannot be specified in terms of wading depth, approach angle etc, but can only be shown with long experience or extensive testing. With the original Landrover this was done by early adopters, and by the end of 80" production the Landrover had gained this ability to a large extent. Whether this completely new design is able to incorporate the lessons learned in the past will be a big question.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by goingbush

I respectively disagree here, I have been into R/C and for almost as long as Ive been into 4x4's and Electronics since I was a kid, I'm no expert but know enough just enough to be dangerous.

Unlike F1 ICE cars, EV's do not use MGU-K, MGU-H systems, the Electric motor itself becomes a generator under regenerative braking.

I'm not really worried about overheating batteries in a Tesla Model S race car which was designed as a road car , but I am interested in the fact that a Tesla Model 3 , has a design life of 1,000,000 miles , and very soon that will include the battery.

My own daily driver LandRover EV conversion has been 100% reliable in the 16 months since it first rolled out on my shed, Out performes the ICE version in any test you like but Never had the batteries more than 5deg above ambient . No wasted energy through heat produced by engine , exhaust or brakes, And in 8000km it has not cost a cent to run . I expect the batteries to easily last 300,000km and the motor and control electronics should easily last 50 -100 years, no problems (unless it gets hit by lightning whilst charging) .

I dont care if the ICE loving generation wants to keep throwing money at the Arabs for their oil, the fact is they wont be able too for very long, the world is switching to EV , Australia don't manufacture cars so the options will be , keep your clunker running , take a bus , or buy an EV.

---

An F1 car can run pure EV with the MGU-K so that component is EV. It is simply a motor/generator attached to the crank. MGH-H is a hybrid component, but it will push development of EV components further because they run in extreme conditions which force them to develop new materials, coatings and designs to gain efficiency.

I would take anything Tesla says with a grain of salt.. They are disrupting the industry but most claims fall short before being ammended/swept out of the spotlight by another bold statement.
I have driven the iPace and been in a Model s. Both are impressive and I love the simplicity of design that can be had with a pure EV but I would buy an EV from a proper car company before a Tesla every day of the week.

While your EV suits your needs it doesn't suit everyone. When I go away camping it is usually for a weekend. Leave Friday arvo to be back Sunday night for work first thing Monday. That is often 700-1000km return and at least half of that off main highways where charging stations are likely to be. Unless I can get 400km 1T towing range of energy back into my car in 30mins or less then it is too much of a compromise for me. That is the only performance comparison I am interested in.

And if you're expecting your EV Landy to last so long and are completely chuffed by it then why are you even concerned about the new defender?

1 litre of petrol gives you more power than the Pharoahs. For its price it's pretty good.

When battery tech doubles it's current practical ability I am in.

Cheers