Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by DrytheRain

EU regs don't permit inward facing seats anymore (hence the change in seating when the Puma Defender was released). I'd be surprised if rear-facing was permitted either. Anyway, I'd expect 2-3+2 or 3-3+2 in the 110. The '+2' denoting kid-sized seats in the way back, à la the Discovery Sport.

These specification leaks confirm my concerns that the new Defender will be tech-laden, even in basic trim, with many design and specification choices that will limit its ruggedness and usefulness. It's pretty much impossible to read the wheel specs for the base model, but I can make out a 20. What's the smaller option? 18? 19? It had better be 18, otherwise they've learned nothing from the D4 wheel size debacle.

Automatics across the board is no surprise, but disappointing. Something else to go wrong, potentially very expensively. However, at this point, the death of the manual transmission is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Dealers don't stock them, people don't buy them, dealer says people don't buy them, company stops making them. Then you factor in the ability for manufacturers to optimise automatic transmission tuning to game fuel economy and emissions tests, plus a lot of people becoming lazier or just treating driving like an unpleasant chore and it's a perfect storm.

The wheelbase spec for the 110 and 130 being the same is ridiculous, though there may be only so far they can stretch their modular platform. Anyway, it's about 200mm less than the previous 130 (or a Ford Ranger if you prefer), so any future ute is going to have a very small tub or Triton-esque proportions.

The width is also ridiculous. It's 10mm wider than a 200 series LandCruiser, which is already a huge barge of a thing and about 180mm wider than a Ford Ranger, which is also not insubstantial.

As for the styling, I've been looking again at that leaked image and I've no idea what's going on under the plastic wrap, but the show car paint, huge wheels and lack of detail in the engine bay, including seams, fasteners and anything electrical or mechanical makes me think that is a full-sized model of the finished article in a styling studio. It may be what was shown at that dealer presentation that started all the rumours and it's possible that some styling elements may have changed, but it all checks out against the Invictus and Tusk photos and the most recent spy photos, particularly the leaked dash graphic.

Word is Toyota are looking at significantly upgrading, or even replacing the 70 series. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Seats, cheers, so all forward facing.

Looks like 18s on bottom 2 pics.

Just wondering, i tried really hard to figure out the trans writing, none of it made any sense, but looks like multiple options? Or is it just additional functionality?

Agree will be interesting to see real 130 wheelbase spec as 130 pic shows longer wheelbase not rear overhang like the jeep gladiator.

So same width as a cruiser, they seem to be pretty popular and capable, this looks to have wheels sticking further past body so should handle/look better, especially with a few mods. With all the 4x4 angles and 3+3 seat setup should be pretty sweet setup imo and give all other 4x4s a run for their money. To early to say 4x4o of the year 2020?

If true about Toyota, they may be packing it about the Defender Interesting times.

Some interesting findings including

straight 6 Diesel in 21MY

Also looks like they have finally listened and significantly simplified their offering

Hi BR

The smallest wheel size could be 18" and I could live with that, even if I'd prefer 17s.

It will be interesting to see if the 130 does actually have a longer wheelbase and the quoted figure is an error. The image does suggest a longer wheelbase.

You're right that the 200 series is popular and pretty capable, but there's no getting around how bulky it is. I used to have a GU Patrol (DX on split rims), which was at least 50mm narrower than the new Defender and at least 40mm narrower than a 200 series, but it was still nervewracking to manoeuvre it through narrow cuttings. More than a few times I had to half-bury it in the scrub to avoid deep ruts and washouts in narrow tracks. I'm thinking that those integrated fender flares on the new Defender are going to be highly susceptible to panel damage in tight off-road situations. I realise the new Defender was always going to be wider than the old one, but the narrowness of the old one is a boon in tight quarters, especially with such a huge turning circle. In fact, one of the two good things about driving my Puma in city traffic is the width; it can squeeze through gaps that would stop many cars in their tracks (the other good thing is the visibility).

The part in the table with more writing is "Emissions" with part of the word cut off. You can make out "WLTP". If you look a couple of lines above, you can see "Transmission" and the whole line simply says "Auto".

As for the mystery models quoted for reference, Google says that L462 is the current Discovery and L550 is the current Discovery Sport.

When I saw the first prototypes I was still quite hopeful. The move to a modern platform with independent suspension was almost inevitable, as LR probably didn't have the cash to develop a new, dedicated platform and were obviously moving away from the commercial market. However, I was almost certain that there would be a really basic model like the Prado Utility sold in the UK or the Ranger XL; plastic floor, tough cloth seats, 17 inch steel wheels, solid paint, aircon and electrics limited to locks, mirrors, windows and a stereo. The disguise applied to the front filled me with hope that it was hiding a nose that followed the shape of the old Defender and Series Rovers. I could just imagine the development team: "hey, let's put this big fake cowl on that makes it look like a Discovery; everyone will lose it, hahaha!" Then on launch day: boom, it's actually a modernised Defender. But no, it just looks like an uglified OG Range Rover Sport. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it will turn out to be an elaborate hoax, but I seriously doubt it.

Something seriously wrong with the diesel torque figures if one of the options is the straight 6 igenium or does it say 650nm and not 450 nm for the D300 3.0 litre?

The Ingenium (petrol) six is rated at 400PS/300kW and 550Nm as just released in JLR product.

Originally Posted by DiscoClax

The Ingenium (petrol) six is rated at 400PS/300kW and 550Nm as just released in JLR product.

Agreed

Originally Posted by DrytheRain

Hi BR

The smallest wheel size could be 18" and I could live with that, even if I'd prefer 17s.

It will be interesting to see if the 130 does actually have a longer wheelbase and the quoted figure is an error. The image does suggest a longer wheelbase.

You're right that the 200 series is popular and pretty capable, but there's no getting around how bulky it is. I used to have a GU Patrol (DX on split rims), which was at least 50mm narrower than the new Defender and at least 40mm narrower than a 200 series, but it was still nervewracking to manoeuvre it through narrow cuttings. More than a few times I had to half-bury it in the scrub to avoid deep ruts and washouts in narrow tracks. I'm thinking that those integrated fender flares on the new Defender are going to be highly susceptible to panel damage in tight off-road situations. I realise the new Defender was always going to be wider than the old one, but the narrowness of the old one is a boon in tight quarters, especially with such a huge turning circle. In fact, one of the two good things about driving my Puma in city traffic is the width; it can squeeze through gaps that would stop many cars in their tracks (the other good thing is the visibility).

The part in the table with more writing is "Emissions" with part of the word cut off. You can make out "WLTP". If you look a couple of lines above, you can see "Transmission" and the whole line simply says "Auto".

As for the mystery models quoted for reference, Google says that L462 is the current Discovery and L550 is the current Discovery Sport.

When I saw the first prototypes I was still quite hopeful. The move to a modern platform with independent suspension was almost inevitable, as LR probably didn't have the cash to develop a new, dedicated platform and were obviously moving away from the commercial market. However, I was almost certain that there would be a really basic model like the Prado Utility sold in the UK or the Ranger XL; plastic floor, tough cloth seats, 17 inch steel wheels, solid paint, aircon and electrics limited to locks, mirrors, windows and a stereo. The disguise applied to the front filled me with hope that it was hiding a nose that followed the shape of the old Defender and Series Rovers. I could just imagine the development team: "hey, let's put this big fake cowl on that makes it look like a Discovery; everyone will lose it, hahaha!" Then on launch day: boom, it's actually a modernised Defender. But no, it just looks like an uglified OG Range Rover Sport. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it will turn out to be an elaborate hoax, but I seriously doubt it.

Agree with most, only its not launched yet

I’m currently hiring a Holden Trailblazer, in the NT as the L322 unluckily failed on day one of this trip (arguably not unexpected from a 12 year old complex vehicle).

I’m quite impressed with its 2.8 diesel motor which delivers 500Nm of torque at 2000rpm. Matched to its 6 speed box it only sat at 2000 rpm when doing about 125km/hr.

So I can see the tech delivering a reasonable small to medium sized turbo diesel with reasonable performance for the new Defender.