Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by ozscott

The culprit...

Thanks, thats a head, just realized these are not cards, its a slideshow presentation. Makes more sense now

Anyone notice the seat options

5, 6 & 7

2-3
3-3
2-3-2

Originally Posted by Red90

2-3
3-3
2-3-2

Inward facing rears or sliding middle to fit rear 2 or rear facing 2

Wont be inward facing given crash requirements. Cheers

I thought the 130 stated 8 seats? 3-3-2 presumably. I'm hoping that the wheelbase for the 130 is a typo and not the same as 110, ie. that it is actually longer per the images.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Inward facing rears or sliding middle to fit rear 2 or rear facing 2

EU regs don't permit inward facing seats anymore (hence the change in seating when the Puma Defender was released). I'd be surprised if rear-facing was permitted either. Anyway, I'd expect 2-3+2 or 3-3+2 in the 110. The '+2' denoting kid-sized seats in the way back, à la the Discovery Sport.

These specification leaks confirm my concerns that the new Defender will be tech-laden, even in basic trim, with many design and specification choices that will limit its ruggedness and usefulness. It's pretty much impossible to read the wheel specs for the base model, but I can make out a 20. What's the smaller option? 18? 19? It had better be 18, otherwise they've learned nothing from the D4 wheel size debacle.

Automatics across the board is no surprise, but disappointing. Something else to go wrong, potentially very expensively. However, at this point, the death of the manual transmission is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Dealers don't stock them, people don't buy them, dealer says people don't buy them, company stops making them. Then you factor in the ability for manufacturers to optimise automatic transmission tuning to game fuel economy and emissions tests, plus a lot of people becoming lazier or just treating driving like an unpleasant chore and it's a perfect storm.

The wheelbase spec for the 110 and 130 being the same is ridiculous, though there may be only so far they can stretch their modular platform. Anyway, it's about 200mm less than the previous 130 (or a Ford Ranger if you prefer), so any future ute is going to have a very small tub or Triton-esque proportions.

The width is also ridiculous. It's 10mm wider than a 200 series LandCruiser, which is already a huge barge of a thing and about 180mm wider than a Ford Ranger, which is also not insubstantial.

As for the styling, I've been looking again at that leaked image and I've no idea what's going on under the plastic wrap, but the show car paint, huge wheels and lack of detail in the engine bay, including seams, fasteners and anything electrical or mechanical makes me think that is a full-sized model of the finished article in a styling studio. It may be what was shown at that dealer presentation that started all the rumours and it's possible that some styling elements may have changed, but it all checks out against the Invictus and Tusk photos and the most recent spy photos, particularly the leaked dash graphic.

Word is Toyota are looking at significantly upgrading, or even replacing the 70 series. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

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we have all been aware of this.......