Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by roverrescue

Despite assurances of a 130 trayback model by an Australian JLR representative

It certainly won’t be coming soon

And is likely dependent on success of the SUV (maybe we should buy one to bolster sales so they make a 130 DC!!! Hahahah)

I had a D1 for many years and a few hundred thousand kays. It was soft in my assessment compared to my first 130. An ex forestry ex farm Ute that had been rolled twice before I gave it a hard time for 200,oookm

Deefers are NOT perfect but they have attributes for seriously rough going that are hard to beat. Narrow track, narrow vertical panels that don’t bulge out asking to be belted.
Solid chassis with sills and panels above the bottom of the chassis
All sumps above the chassis rails.

If they release a 130DC it will be Ford Ranger than Defender or 79
It’s just what it is
Probably a shed loaf more expensive than a Ranger !!!
But only marginally better than a ranger.

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Yep, I treat the D2 like an SUV in comparison to the caning the Deefer copped.
I've backed out of climbs the Deefer would've walked up, not because the Disco wouldnt have been capable but it didn't have the clearance (33.5's vs 29's) nor articulation (modified, long travel vs stock suspension) and so would've sustained panel and underside damage, even though the TC continues to surprise me.

(Who else here having learnt to drive with open diffs and wheel placement with low gears on rocks or high gears in mud and just enough throttle to minimise wheel spin struggles with point, plant your foot and let the computer and brakes do their thing!! [emoji50][emoji15][emoji23])

Pretty sure the chassis on the Defender is deeper than the Disco/RRC and the 130 chassis is reinforced in various spots compared to the 110 too.
It'd want to be with a 1300kg load capacity.
I can't see the Defender SUV having that sort of load rating?[emoji848][emoji849]

The 2020 should be called a Discovery. It's the car the D5 should've been.

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Originally Posted by rick130

(Who else here having learnt to drive with open diffs and wheel placement with low gears on rocks or high gears in mud and just enough throttle to minimise wheel spin struggles with point, plant your foot and let the computer and brakes do their thing!! [emoji50][emoji15][emoji23])

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Rick,just wait until you get to have a spin in a D3/4,off road,it takes the D2 electronics to another level[biggrin][thumbsupbig]

Certainly takes a while to get used to....

The D4 has virtually no spin before TC bites...half a wheel turn sometimes. Fantastic.

The new Defender will not have to worry about keeping the sills and panels above the chassis....

The new vehicle will probably in som3 ways be what the D5 should have been but I dare say it will be much more rugged than D3/4 and with legal 34 inch tyres on 18's (ie every bit as good and not silly as 32 inch on 16 inch...)....so not like D3/4... so more.like the evolution of the higher clearance bigish stock wheeled Defender. The purists who own a Defender will probably dislike it (The purists who want an old.Defnder will love the new one because the prices of the old one are settling to more reasonable levels) and a whole bunch of people including those who want to use it in harsh off road conditions will likely love it too.

Cbeers

You all talk like 34s on 18s is a definitive option

Look at JLR over the past 10 years

I would guess 18s are available only on coil base model. Bigger calipers/ air turret / jizzjazz will make firmest to air spring models not possible... and besides considering D3/D4/D5 modes all have tyre clearance issues wont it be feasible that 34s won’t actually fit?

You’re banking on features that may not be possible

How much will you like it if your stuck with 20s and some obscure type size only made by two manufacturers?

And it’s laughable to think the new defender won’t have to worry about keeping sills and panels clear... for the stupid money this thing will end up costing simple panel damage by stepping down a rockstep or creek bank or deep rutted track will mean you just won’t do those things that I would not think twice about.

Last time I did the OTL it was early season, palm creek had a nasty drop into it. I dropped in and had to winch myself down into the creek to cross it. The Pajero and 200 we were travelling with canned the crossing because they would have lost their rear quarters dropping in....

Even though the LR2020 has a shorter overhang than a 200 those rear quarters bulging metal arches will still get left on the track???

Anyways - I want to like this thing because my current 130 won’t last forever!

I just can’t get excited about it at the moment

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Originally Posted by roverrescue

You all talk like 34s on 18s is a definitive option

Look at JLR over the past 10 years

I would guess 18s are available only on coil base model. Bigger calipers/ air turret / jizzjazz will make firmest to air spring models not possible... and besides considering D3/D4/D5 modes all have tyre clearance issues wont it be feasible that 34s won’t actually fit?

You’re banking on features that may not be possible

How much will you like it if your stuck with 20s and some obscure type size only made by two manufacturers?

And it’s laughable to think the new defender won’t have to worry about keeping sills and panels clear... for the stupid money this thing will end up costing simple panel damage by stepping down a rockstep or creek bank or deep rutted track will mean you just won’t do those things that I would not think twice about.

Last time I did the OTL it was early season, palm creek had a nasty drop into it. I dropped in and had to winch myself down into the creek to cross it. The Pajero and 200 we were travelling with canned the crossing because they would have lost their rear quarters dropping in....

Even though the LR2020 has a shorter overhang than a 200 those rear quarters bulging metal arches will still get left on the track???

Anyways - I want to like this thing because my current 130 won’t last forever!

I just can’t get excited about it at the moment

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I was having a bit of fun...ie No chassis rails to be proud of the sills.

You are dead right about the tyres not being in the bag. If I can't get (with no fouling) 34 on 18's I may not sign up (min 33 on 18 but I would prefer 34). I would consider another make if 20's only were available on air suspended models (I can't see that though as this vehicle is not (not) a Disco or RR).

Cheers

When I dropped into Palm 2 years ago it was pretty ordinary and my D2 rump scraped with 2 inch lift and 31's but the steel bar and HR tow hitch shrugged it off. Funnily enough the new Defender on air would not have scraped where mine did.

Cheers

The OTL changes by the day
Especially early in the season

We could have spent half an hour with shovels and tapered the entrance drop so the wagons wouldn’t lose quarters but then would still have to have winched down into the creek and back up and the Pajero had no winch so would have taken time.

By the time we drove back a week or so later I ducked back into the crossing and it was completely driveable - no winching needed

S

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Originally Posted by rick130

It'd want to be with a 1300kg load capacity.
I can't see the Defender SUV having that sort of load rating?[emoji848][emoji849]

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I can't see 1.3T being an issue with the 130, especially if they do a Ute. The air will keep it level and stable.

Even the D5 is up to 950kg payload + fuel (5seat) 900kg + fuel (7seat) from memory.

Considering the above what payload are people tipping for the 110?

Im going to say 1T, but if it matches the disco its more than enough for me, we make do with 600 in the RRC after all the mods and a GVM upgrade.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I was having a bit of fun...ie No chassis rails to be proud of the sills.

You are dead right about the tyres not being in the bag. If I can't get (with no fouling) 34 on 18's I may not sign up (min 33 on 18 but I would prefer 34). I would consider another make if 20's only were available on air suspended models (I can't see that though as this vehicle is not (not) a Disco or RR).

Cheers

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Lucky8 have 33s/18s on the D5 I cant see 34s on 18s being an issue on the new defender, maybe a small electronic lift if anything.

I imagine most people will use rods or electronic calibration to lift an inch or more.

Having said that a J.Auston Fab 2inch subframe lift would be legal would keep susp stock give plenty of room for 34s.(or 35s)

2 inch lift and 34s = Total lift 75mm which is under the engineering limithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3d6261d11e.jpg

BR possible but big cost. If I can't run 33's and hopefully 34's stock with 18's I will look elsewhere I think. Some people might mod but in Aus there are VERY few modded D4 and 5 where big tyres are used. I think most people like going max legal without engineering and having to muck around with insurers on the topic.

I'm keen but only if it all stacks up. If not I will probably go like so many do and build a canopy rear on a Ford Ranger Wildtrack and be like every other bugger for my next tourer. Probably save a fair whack of coin too.

Cheers