Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Mate I love the enthusiasm truly, but I have been offroad too much to out up with independent suspension without stimulated live axles that air suspension at least provides to a significant extent. You might as well buy a Pajero and have its reliability if you dont opt for air suspension.

If you can get an air suspended D5 for $77 on the road that's not too bad value wise assuming they have a decent powerplant at that price. I haven't looked at them much because to my eye they are aweful visually. Near the D4 as you posted above they look like a toad or a Hyundai. Even in rescue drag they are not much better. Beauty is in the eye though.

Cheers

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Some people still like the ultimate reliability of coils even if it means slightly less travel and safety.

Im not sure what it is, maybe its the 19 models but they are looking hot driving around especially in dark grey or black.

At first i wasn't a fan but like with the d4 im coming around.

Would love to see a dark Grey D5
With mud terrains a 2 inch lift black bull bar/winch, sliders and a Roof Rack. All avail.

Aftermarket really needs to provide a long range fuel tank where the spare is underneath and a kaymar style rear wheel carrier.

Tempting project, but I probably won't buy one because I'm waiting to see what the defender will look like first.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Some people still like the ultimate reliability of coils even if it means slightly less travel and safety.

Im not sure what it is, maybe its the 19 models but they are looking hot driving around especially in dark grey or black.

At first i wasn't a fan but like with the d4 im coming around.

Would love to see a dark Grey D5
With mud terrains a 2 inch lift black bull bar/winch, sliders and a Roof Rack. All avail.

Aftermarket really needs to provide a long range fuel tank where the spare is underneath and a kaymar style rear wheel carrier.

Tempting project, but I probably won't buy one because I'm waiting to see what the defender will look like first.

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BlackRangie I prefer coils any day of the week ....but coupled with live axles. Indy suspension on a D3 or 5 is just not going to perform offroad anywhere near what I require at times for me. Everyone is different in their needs though.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

BlackRangie I prefer coils any day of the week ....but coupled with live axles. Indy suspension on a D3 or 5 is just not going to perform offroad anywhere near what I require at times for me. Everyone is different in their needs though.

Cheers

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Im with you, but having done a custom air susp system and taken it out, they have to be spot on. I would very much appreciate a factory engineered air susp system.

Its seems the new generation of JLR air susp is very reliable, but i would still change it all every 10 or 15 years to be sure.

Yes, I'd read that about the possibility of a pop top Defender model too. I shudder to think what the price might be though.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Did you hear the rumour that JLR may have teamed up with a company to provide a factory pop top?

Long wheelbase wagon, well 50% of the mules are just that.

You cant have the wheelbase too long or it effects ramp over, and also front/rear overhang needs to be minimised in a proper offroader, looks like it should be better that current defender and best in class in both regards

"Camper Roof?

Perhaps the oddest description found for the upcoming Defender comes from a German roof supplier which lists the development of a panoramaaufstelldach for the vehicle. The direct translation of that word is camper roof. That means it is possible that the Defender will be available with a lift out roof similar to what is found on some European spec vans."

Did a quick google and one of the engineers put the project on their linkedin.

Looked at the company they work at, they list a panoramic sunroof, so maybe not factory camper, but you never know.

Looks like you might be opening the cheque book weedsy [emoji6][emoji8].https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...71721dd05f.jpg

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To Overland around the world you don’t need a serious off roader......I doubt the new Land Rover will be any longer than a 130, 130’s don’t seem to have issues overlanding

I know a guy that is lining up to purchase the new Land Rover (depending on roof design and amount of glass) and having to sent straight from dealer to pop manufacturer in Aus.....I cannot read German but I’d say there would be others providing a pop top if it remotely possible. Oh and I don’t think anybody outside Rover could comment on suitability of a roof top camper.

I have a functioning TD5 hard top with pop top, highly doubt the Chequers book will he out just to keep up with the Jones’s or the latest fad.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Yes, I'd read that about the possibility of a pop top Defender model too. I shudder to think what the price might be though.

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Probably as much as it costs to add onto an old defender..but i doubt its anything less than a panoramic roof after investigation, it will however have an easy to remove hole for access to pop roof.

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Originally Posted by weeds

To Overland around the world you don’t need a serious off roader......I doubt the new Land Rover will be any longer than a 130, 130’s don’t seem to have issues overlanding

I know a guy that is lining up to purchase the new Land Rover (depending on roof design and amount of glass) and having to sent straight from dealer to pop manufacturer in Aus.....I cannot read German but I’d say there would be others providing a pop top if it remotely possible. Oh and I don’t think anybody outside Rover could comment on suitability of a roof top camper.

I have a functioning TD5 hard top with pop top, highly doubt the Chequers book will he out just to keep up with the Jones’s or the latest fad.

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Agree, Keeping up with the jones's def not the path to happiness, infact its just stupid.

Fads are not something defender has been about, 1 serious redesign in 70 years [emoji6]

Good to hear there are already au conv in the works.

The problem with no air is that you loose clearance so coils only would be fine for touring and tame offroad but not so great for the more rough stuff - like the coiler D3. Air suspension with terrain response is what makes modern Land Rover as capable as they are. With an eDiff is ideal, the car has to do less work figuring out which wheels have grip with one.

With regard to a pop-top, I'd imagine that if the design has no consideration for something like that then it would be a very expensive mod as the integrity if the overall vehicle structure would have to be preserved. One thing to have a solid piece of glass go in (panoramic roof) but another to have hole with a lid on it.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Speaking of rear doors haha.

And I remember the D4 everyone absolutely hating the rear door.
Comparing the D4 and D5 rear door the D4 rear door is actually a much more extreme design than the D5.

Scary: without going too far off topic I have some friends that want to get a Discovery and they looking at the Discovery 3 would you suggest that they get a Discovery 3 with under 100000 k's or pay a little bit more for a Discovery 4 with low ks looking at the 20-30k mark.
Air or coil?

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Go the D4 for a few dollars more.But i don't think they will find a good one for those kind of $.High mileage maybe,but not a good condition low K's one.

As for the D4 rear door set up,never seen a bad word about it,by anyone.
Most confirm it is the best set up around.Fantastic for camping,outdoor activities,etc.
And it seals very well,even on the dustiest roads around.

Oh,thats right McGovern did say they dropped it in the new model, because it attracts rust and they can't get the fit and finish of a tailgate set up as good as they would like.

If thats not a load of garbage,i dunno what is.

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Originally Posted by SBD4

The problem with no air is that you loose clearance so coils only would be fine for touring and tame offroad but not so great for the more rough stuff - like the coiler D3. Air suspension with terrain response is what makes modern Land Rover as capable as they are. With an eDiff is ideal, the car has to do less work figuring out which wheels have grip with one.

With regard to a pop-top, I'd imagine that if the design has no consideration for something like that then it would be a very expensive mod as the integrity if the overall vehicle structure would have to be preserved. One thing to have a solid piece of glass go in (panoramic roof) but another to have hole with a lid on it.

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Agreed, But if the holes already there for a panoramic roof, it becomes an easier proposition imo.

I had a 2door RRC with a pop top, was hard to pick unless you know RRC's well.

All fiberglass, centre of roof chopped out, pop up skin over original roof, fold back slats climp up, fold back down, bout a meter wide sleeping space and 2 foot pop up.