Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by roverrescue

I agree BR mr Cameron was honest about reliability in the past but he is pulling legs to suggest wholesale changes in reliability overall...

Despite LR upping its game it still does terribly in the annual JD Powers surveys
Of course we could debate the validity BUT reliability surveys effect the market???

The big thing Mr Cameron ignored is LR won’t make inroads in Aus till they sharpen up their dealer network. Maybe the LR2020 will be the golden goose for LR Aus and huge sales lead to a better dealer network ????

In any case - if they sell 350 Rangie Sports a month, Likely they are aiming for that number of LR2020s???

Do you know how many D5s are selling???

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I believe most issues these days are minor and reliability surveys include minor things like infotainment recalls, these will be done over the air (im guessing from 2020 onwards) Mercedes benz is rated worse from memory and they sell like hotcakes.

I think they sell around half the amount of D5s as RRS from memory, that should improve as their rep gets out more.

D4s didn't sell like hotcakes either but slightly more than D5s

Imo they will be aiming for sales like the Disco sport at least with the New Defender.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

As above they are talking about global sales numbers, its quite obvious, either way it isnt a direct quote so best taken with a grain of salt.

If you also add in the comment about them wanting it to be one of their best sellers, Disco sport at around 60-70k sell over 100, 000 per year.

Marketing is marketing, i actually think his comments on reliability where honest, took ownership of past realities and addressed how they are now different and how they will prove it. I pay this comment, the unprecidented extensive testing seems to back this up.

But is it unprecedented at 1.2m miles? D5 was over a million miles and I recall D2 was along those lines also (For a car already heavily 'tested' as a D1 because changes there were just that, not a whole new design). They took new Deefer off-road all over the world...same with D2. Testing the Defender at Moab does not make the testing more extensive than D2 or D5...

Reliability comes from a whole lot more than mule and final testing. When people get upset about modern LR reliability they are talking not of the software glitches where the iPhone may not pair properly each time but things like notorious failures of auto trans and diesels that can't hold their cranks/bearings together. Ie major catastrophic failures that leave vehicles stranded and often write them off with the cost of repair. A design that requires the whole body to be removed to replace a turbo doesn't generate enthusiasm either... Genuinely address those things and most people will overlook a lack of.dealer.support. They still won't sell in the outback because most owners know that modern vehicles do need to be close to dealers at times for software issues and diagnostics.

Cheers
PS. I am hopeful that a straight 6 petrol will have the room available to replace a turbo without the need to remove the body...at least down the track us knuckledraggers can do some mechanical work on them

The new Slovakia factory could be a game changer for Land Rover both in terms of price and QA.

This new model Defender also presents an opportunity for JLR to reach into the trade and more effectively into family/recreational market segments, if they get it right on price point. No doubt JLR have intensely examined price point vs market segment.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Well I do a bit of long distance and outback driving and I have not seen one pulling a van yet. Incredible. In fact I haven't seen a newer Discovery than a D4 out in the bush. I did not see a Land Rover product out around the floodwaters a few months ago.

Might be interesting to see what turns up at the Big Red Bash.

Found this on another forum I frequent

I thought that I read somewhere that the D5 has been a sales flop compared to the last year of the D4.

As for D5’s in action - Lee Jackson on this forum has a very well kitted out D5 and uses it regularly.

Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I thought that I read somewhere that the D5 has been a sales flop compared to the last year of the D4.

As for D5’s in action - Lee Jackson on this forum has a very well kitted out D5 and uses it regularly.

True. I think the D5 is probably underrated. Overall I quite like it but it's too expensive for my tastes - as in value for money is just not there.

But overall I haven seen them outside the urban blacktop. Shame really.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

But is it unprecedented at 1.2m miles? D5 was over a million miles and I recall D2 was along those lines also (For a car already heavily 'tested' as a D1 because changes there were just that, not a whole new design). They took new Deefer off-road all over the world...same with D2. Testing the Defender at Moab does not make the testing more extensive than D2 or D5...

Reliability comes from a whole lot more than mule and final testing. When people get upset about modern LR reliability they are talking not of the software glitches where the iPhone may not pair properly each time but things like notorious failures of auto trans and diesels that can't hold their cranks/bearings together. Ie major catastrophic failures that leave vehicles stranded and often write them off with the cost of repair. A design that requires the whole body to be removed to replace a turbo doesn't generate enthusiasm either... Genuinely address those things and most people will overlook a lack of.dealer.support. They still won't sell in the outback because most owners know that modern vehicles do need to be close to dealers at times for software issues and diagnostics.

Cheers
PS. I am hopeful that a straight 6 petrol will have the room available to replace a turbo without the need to remove the body...at least down the track us knuckledraggers can do some mechanical work on them

Agree totally on testing and reliability - they are doing what they always do for every model. Though, I do get the sense that they are well aware of the importance of getting this one absolutely right and are doing everything they can to ensure it is.

You can rest easy as body off is a thing of the past... the D4 was the last thing Land Rover made that had a chassis. The new models may need a subframe dropped instead

Originally Posted by ozscott

True. I think the D5 is probably underrated. Overall I quite like it but it's too expensive for my tastes - as in value for money is just not there.

But overall I haven seen them outside the urban blacktop. Shame really.

Cheers

I saw a D5 with a small van up at Monkey Mia (Sharks Bay WA) a couple of days ago when I went up there for a fishing trip So there are some that are getting away from their Metro sanctuary's

However the Vast majority of van/boat tugs I saw on the road were of Japanese origin