The New Defender: Diesel vs Petrol

**SBD4** · 20th October 2019, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

.....Engine choice has actually put me off the vehicle ATM,we are in no rush ,so can wait.Need to look at it as well,before purchase....

I totally agree, I think the engine line up is poor. They give you small diesels or the big daddy petrol to choose from.

If I were asked to decide on the engine line up, for the diesel choice I would get rid of the D200 altogether and start with the D240 which should have at least 450Nm, next the D300(IL6) with at least 650Nm. For the Petrol the P300 (4cyl) 450Nm and then the P400 (IL6) 550Nm.

As far as hybrid goes mix and match power/torque/fuel/range specs as required to achieve the desired results ...I don't know enough about it.

In terms of pricing it go D240 ==> P300 ==> D300 ==> P400 with no more than 5K AUD between each jump.

All engines would be available in the base model up to SE with the top models perhaps only offering the D300 or the P400.

The options are another story. The way it is currently, it's like going to a restaurant that has lots of food you like but none of it exists in a single dish so you have order all the dishes to get the bits you want.

EDIT: I know that the D300 does not exist today but the SD6 does. It makes sense that LR are not going to engineer the car to accommodate the outgoing TD6/SD6 engines but they really should have pulled out all stops to get the IL6 diesel done in time for the Defender release.

**rar110** · 20th October 2019, 05:45 PM

It’s reasonable to assume JLR will fit the new Defender with the 2.0 PHEV motor currently used in the L405 & L494.

**SBD4** · 20th October 2019, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by rar110

It’s reasonable to assume JLR will fit the new Defender with the 2.0 PHEV motor currently used in the L405 & L494.

Agreed but, I think that is oriented towards the people who want to go fast with a clear conscience

. It doesn't really address the towing need with a 2500Kg limit.

**Tins** · 20th October 2019, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Imo they will do an svx version with bmw v8, if and when they do, ill sell and buy if fuel economy is reasonable.

Having said that the straight 6 is almost up there in v8 land, im sure it will be reasonably reliable considering their testing, if not we have warranty and au consumer guarantee.

If they do it's far more likely they'll use a Jag V8. They aren't affiliated with BMW anymore, and Jaguar have some fine 8s.

**Rob66** · 20th October 2019, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

What engine are you going for, for me the d240 in the D5 didn't excite me enough, but was for sure sufficent power.

I'm looking at the D240 .. can't justify/afford the additional $12k-ish for the P400 MHEV. There is always the option of tunes, plug-ins or a pedal box to get a bit of extra up n go.

**blackrangie** · 20th October 2019, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by johntins

If they do it's far more likely they'll use a Jag V8. They aren't affiliated with BMW anymore, and Jaguar have some fine 8s.

Actually they are now partnered with BMW

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**blackrangie** · 20th October 2019, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rob66

I'm looking at the D240 .. can't justify/afford the additional $12k-ish for the P400 MHEV. There is always the option of tunes, plug-ins or a pedal box to get a bit of extra up n go.

Test drove it the other day in a D5, very nice engine, well suited, floored it up a big steep hill from standstill accelerated nicely

**1nando** · 24th October 2019, 03:06 PM

Opinion: Petrol engines likely to make imminent return to the 4x4 world

**scarry** · 24th October 2019, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by 1nando

Opinion: Petrol engines likely to make imminent return to the 4x4 world

They ramble on about the Tojo engines being dropped because of sales,but the truth is also both engines were old tech,and way behind,as an example the engine in the Y62,and the latest European petrols.Even the 5.7 Lexus petrol is old tech.

The Japanese have always made great petrol engines,so I am sure they will be back with something modern in the new models.

As we know Toyota don’t anything here until they have to,even if they have the technology in other markets.

Plug in hybrids are a very good example of this.

**trout1105** · 24th October 2019, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

They ramble on about the Tojo engines being dropped because of sales,but the truth is also both engines were old tech,and way behind,as an example the engine in the Y62,and the latest European petrols.Even the 5.7 Lexus petrol is old tech.

The Japanese have always made great petrol engines,so I am sure they will be back with something modern in the new models.

As we know Toyota don’t anything here until they have to,even if they have the technology in other markets.

Plug in hybrids are a very good example of this.

I think that Toyota work on the premise of "If it aint broke then why fix it?"

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