Land Rover is dead... Long live land rover!

**scarry** · 18th November 2019, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

The defender has been continued, and its better in so many ways

Land Rover is dead... Long live land rover!

But it does leave twice the size hole in the bank balance,and has a much smaller cargo area in the rear.

An d Mick won’t be able to fit 12 bags of goat poo in the back,maybe he will have to invest in a trailer.

In fact I measured the cargo area in my brothers D1,and it’s 50 mm shorter but higher,width similar, to new Defender,so smaller than D2,and way smaller than D4/3.Similar size to D1.

That’s with second row seats up.

They need to get the 130 on the market as soon as they can.

Anyone coming from a Patrol or LC will have to leave half the stuff they take camping behind[

But they probably take to much crap anyway.

**Hugh42732** · 18th November 2019, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by NT5224

I'll choose my words carefully here...

With the release of this latest vehicle and the backtrack on producing a load carrying version (is that even possible with monocoque and gasbag suspension?), what I've long suspected in the leadup to L663 SUV has come to pass. Land Rover no longer build vehicles that are relevant to my individual needs or lifestyle, and maybe not relevant to anybody who needs a serious off road working vehicle. I will always love Land Rover heritage and my amazing 110 HCPU 'Hector', but I wont be buying another vehicle from them (unless a new 'Series IV' line emerges).

I respect that from a commercial marketing perspective their rationale and current product line may be a shrewd business move, and that the world is now largely urbanised and populated by trendy, cashed up latte drinkers with a penchant for weekend extreme sports (or at least appearing on facebook to do so).

The bit I dont get is how many of the beardy urbanistas that they target with their marketing can afford upwards of 70K for their cafe to cafe runabouts? I will spend upwards of that on my next vehicle. But it wont be a land rover SUV. G Wagen Professionals and Iveco Daly 4x4 are probably the two I like best right now.

I guess the question I now have for the Land Rover brand enthusiast is which model will carry the brand identity forward now that the Land Rover is gone? I've never had a Discovery, but hear they're OK. I liked those boxy ones. So is the Disco or the Range Rover now the flagship of the land rover product range?

Alan

I agree, could have easily called it the new Discovery...

Was waiting in hope for a rugged work ute but, failed, as I thought they would after the public feedback for "wants" in the new Defender.

Currently looking a Mercedes Benz Dual Cab, it won't have the off road ability of the G Wagen or the Iveco 4x4 but with a fair bit of in and out I think the height of the Iveco would wear me out.

Anyway moving along...

**blackrangie** · 18th November 2019, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by gromit

Except for :-
Cost of ownership.
Looks.
Repairability.

I'm sure there are few more areas where it's not 'better in so many ways'

Colin

That's individual needs dependant.

**blackrangie** · 18th November 2019, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

And so much worse in many ways - is now just another wannabe in the high end luxo barge market.

Easy to type but harder to back up with facts

**LRJim** · 18th November 2019, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Easy to type but harder to back up with facts

Dont need any written fact, the picture tells 1000 words

**101RRS** · 18th November 2019, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Easy to type but harder to back up with facts

True but the facts are in the miriad of threads and posts you have generated on this forum - just look at all the dissenting views on the vehicle that you constantly challenge or ignore.

**blackrangie** · 18th November 2019, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by LRJim

Dont need any written fact, the picture tells 1000 words

Yeah I prefer facts, just because something has rounded edges it doesn't in any way correlate to toughness, durability or reliability.

**blackrangie** · 18th November 2019, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

True but the facts are in the miriad of threads and posts you have generated on this forum - just look at all the dissenting views on the vehicle that you constantly challenge or ignore.

Your original post

Originally Posted by 101RRS

And so much worse in many ways - is now just another wannabe in the high end luxo barge market.

Please show your myriad of facts to back this how (A) the new defender is so much worse in so many ways? and (

how its just another wannabe in the high end luxury SUV market?

Genuinely interested in your well thought out fact based reasoning rather than claims with no facts to back it up.

Then show me where I have ignored them?

**101RRS** · 18th November 2019, 10:17 PM

Oh deer.

**scarry** · 19th November 2019, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by 101RRS

And so much worse in many ways - is now just another wannabe in the high end luxo barge market.

What was their other option,produce something that won’t sell to the masses?

That wouldn’t be a good business decision.

That’s the way the company has gone,there is nothing anyone can do about it.

If we listened to some on here we would still be riding horses to work.

They could have continually updated the old vehicle,but sales were very poor,and there were many other issues with it,so it was dropped.

Make something similar to old model,that wouldn’t have sold well either.

And that market is very small,what is left of it is taken mainly by the 70 series,LR would have had virtually no chance of cracking it.

And many are saying it’s going as well,but that has been said for the last 10 yrs,it keeps soldiering on.

Sure there are few things not to like with the new model,but every vehicle is a compromise in some way.It is built for a world market,every market is slightly different,and here the LR market is tiny compared with their overall sales.
So one would have to presume our market here wasn’t taken into much consideration when it was built.

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