Thread: Bull bar

Computer capabilities today are vastly greater than that of 25 years ago - the cheapest phone you can get today has more processing power than a typical scientific supercomputer of 25 years ago. (Perhaps a slight exaggeration, but only slight)

However, neither the relevant physics nor the engineering design process has changed significantly. What has changed is that today it is a lot easier because the software is a lot more accessible, and would be run on a laptop, not a high end workstation. Which is not necessarily and advantage, except for speed of development, as this may have been used to reduce real world testing.

From what I've heard , Toyota, GM, Ford release the outlines/ details and even send the final pre-release demo models to the larger aftermarket companies. like ARB/TJM etc so they have a selection of gear ready, (not just their stuff) and waiting when the new model Cruiser/ranga/colorado etc lands.

Yes you are correct - you can now get factory fitted ARB gear on your Ranger or Everest.

There is no change in their safety rating & the gear was designed with both ARB & Ford input.

If fitted by Ford you even get the 5 year unlimited kilometer warranty.

Vic Roads are not so sure of the protection to a vehicle in more than a moderate crash and nor in respect of vehicle safety systems. They presumably know of the state of computer development in the last 20 years and that the manufactures of bullbars have to comply with ADRs for bullbars and get the relevant info from vehicle manufacturers. Presumably also the Govt knows that engineers work in TJM, ARB etc. So, clearly it's not cut and dried. There is debate by people who ought to know. My point remains that you get one knowing that it may, may adversely affect your vehicle crash safety in some cases and may help in some more modest ones. I am not anti bullbar but Codogan makes some points worth considering even if you don't like the man. Cheers


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Having seen some work LVs after some BIG hits both off road and on highway - I’ll take the barwork any day.

VicRoads major argument appears to be relating to pedestrian safety. If pedestrians pay attention it really isn’t a problem.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Having seen some work LVs after some BIG hits both off road and on highway - I’ll take the barwork any day.

VicRoads major argument appears to be relating to pedestrian safety. If pedestrians pay attention it really isn’t a problem.

Mike when I read it my sense was that they are concerned about pedestrian safety but their expressed concerns were also for vehicle crash safety (occupants). Anyway for my Disco 2 with a separate chassis I am glad for the bar. Cheers

Originally Posted by Tombie

Having seen some work LVs after some BIG hits both off road and on highway - I’ll take the barwork any day.

VicRoads major argument appears to be relating to pedestrian safety. If pedestrians pay attention it really isn’t a problem.

In NSW Harold Scruby enters the debate....old ground well covered here and elsewhere. He's long been an advocate for bar banning but has broadened his purview.

Pedestrian Council of Australia - Wikipedia

Some of the scariest moments I've had were when crossing the Sydney CBD on a Friday evening....roos had more road sense!

Originally Posted by ozscott

Mike when I read it my sense was that they are concerned about pedestrian safety but their expressed concerns were also for vehicle crash safety (occupants). Anyway for my Disco 2 with a separate chassis I am glad for the bar. Cheers

To bring this back to the model-specific topic I suspect (hopefully) that airbag activation (occupant safety) amongst other factors in the L663 in a vehicle crash will not be compromised by the JLR protection bar....after all, it's engineered by them and not by a third party.

Originally Posted by one_iota

To bring this back to the model-specific topic I suspect (hopefully) that airbag activation (occupant safety) amongst other factors in the L663 in a vehicle crash will not be compromised by the JLR protection bar....after all, it's engineered by them and not by a third party.

Fair call mate. Cheers