Pictures of the "Remains" of the original Fan Blade are attacted.
Hello Everyone,
Just had a rather "major" issue heading up to Yarrawonga. I replaced my Viscous Coupling and Fan last night as I'd diagnosed a fair bit of play in the Coupling, and had been experiencing some Overheating whilst I'm stopped in traffic etc.
Anyhow I removed the Coupling via the Recommended Tap Method (Anti-Clockwise as your facing the Engine Bay) and removed without much of an issue.
Made Carful note of how the original Fan/Viscous Coupling was constructed to ensure I had the New Combination installed the correct way.
Installed the New Fan/Coupling by slowly threading the Nut onto the Bolt by hand until tight, followed by a Gentle Nip-Up less than 1/16th of a turn with the 36mm Viscous Spanner.
Now for the Punchline, got to about 50-60km from Yarrawonga today (Already driven about 250km....) came up to an intersection and proceeded to Take off and heard an almighty bang.
Initially I thought I'd run over something and got a puncture but a quick inspection noted no issues, opened the bonnet to discover by Radiator Shroud in many, many pieces, as well as the Fan Blade completely wrecked and the Coupling actually leaning against the Radiator off the Nut coming from the Engine (i.e: Fallen Off).
So I got going again by collecting all of the Plastic pieces, disconnecting the Air Con Compressor from Power and driving without a Fan (No Overheating Issues as the Whole Trip was around 100kmh and only 24 Degrees Ambient.
My initial impression was that I must have installed the coupling backwards, but subsequently I've got home and had a look at the old Coupling/Fan and I've assembled the New one in exactly the same fashion as the old.
So... I've taken the Old Fan Blade and attached to the New Viscous Coupling and re-attached to the Engine, and all seems well based on my 5 minutes or so of Revving up to 5000rpm and back again (so to speak)
So I guess I'm looking for clarification on what could have gone wrong... and am I asking for trouble with some sort of Dodgy Coupling which is likely to destroy my other fan tomorrow?
N.B: I didn't really like the "look" of the New Fan in comparison to the old... didn't look that well but together, but it was complete with no cracks or damage etc...
Both Coupling and Fan were purchased from LRDirect.com in the UK.
Pictures of the "Remains" of the original Fan Blade are attacted.
Thanks goodness it didn't destroy or hole the radiator!
I've never heard of a P38A fan shattering. RR classic fans are noted for cracking and throwing a blade when they get old.
I can't imagine why the nut would have unscrewed from the water pump because, as you will have noted, the rotation of the shaft tends to screw the viscous coupling nut onto the water pump thus tightening it.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
It does seem quite bizarre... the only thing that seems to make sense is that I've somehow install the Fan Backwards... but it certainly doesn't seem that way, and more importantly it's lasted over 250km before doing this???
I suppose there wasn't enough left on the hub to see. Can you piece anything together to allow to to check that, e.g., look for any marks from bolts, how the plastic pieces fit together, etc.?
Even if the fan was backwards on the coupling it would only reduce the efficiency of the fan - unless you were bolting to the plastic and no the metal. I'd need to look at my fan to see how it fits to confirm. I haven't looked at it for a while so I can't recall how it mounts to the coupling.
Wait. I can see from the photos that the bolts went through from the metal side of the fan.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
Ron:
The Bolts can only really go through Metal on the Fan. I double checked with my previous fan setup and it had the same imprints (i.e Circular Nut Shapes on one side and Half Oval Imprints left from the Coupling) on the other side in the same alignment...
I seriously can't see how I could have completed it backwards.
Just looking at your pics where one can easily see the bolt head marks and the marks where the metal centre was against the VC - and the workshop manual am I mistaken in thinking you may have bolted it on back to front? It's hard to tell from the LR drawing. I really need to go and check mine to compare.
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Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
I'm not really sure what indicates which way is correct when it comes to the Workshop Manual you have shown me... it's difficult to make out which way would be correct.
I would have thought if I assembled it the other way, the Ridges on the Fan Metal Inner Circle would press against the Coupling... which wouldn't be right for mounting...
You are right. Mine is mounted in the same way as yours.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
Thanks Ron:
As I said in my original post I can understand the fan failing because it wasn't a Genuine Land Rover fan per se.. It was the better (more expensive) of the 2 OEM Options at LRDirect.com. I wasn't 110% happy with the style of construction when I saw it but what can you do...
I guess my major cause of confusion at this stage is why has the Coupling fallen off... surely if the Fan has died it should have just stayed on...
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