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    Update 2 - part 1 0f 2

    Lessons Learned:

    Adding the butyl layer to the camping mat to the heat shield there is about 12 mm of insulation. The cap to the overflow bottle for the engine cooling system sits high and fouls on the insulation. If you don’t mould the layers of insulation to the contours of the bonnet you will find the insulation may foul on other things under the bonnet ie the intake pipe with the air flow meter, which sits high.

    As mentioned in the prior post I was not happy with the bulkhead vent seals. As anticipated the lip on the bulkhead vent pushed the seal down therefore there was no seal on the outside of the lip on the high side of the vent. I removed the 12 mm thick seal on the high side of the vent and replaced it with a 9.5 mm thick seal. It now clears the lip and should seal better.

    I noted that the seals on the sides and low edge of the vent flap had the impression of the lip from the bulkhead. That caused the seal to form 2 hills and valley effect. I suspect that the seals were not sitting flush to the opposite surface thus not sealing properly. I nicked the seal with a razor blade on the line of the lip impression. That allowed the seal to resume its shape and theoretically will permit the lip it sit inside the nick.

    Overall impressions:

    The change in db readings after the bonnet install are not significant and suggest no improvement. The aural experience suggests otherwise. The truck at 60 km/h, 80 km/h and 100 km/h is significantly quieter. The engine rumble is still there but the peaky noises are subdued. The highway cruising experience much more tolerable. The wife gave it the tick of approval. The reason for the insulation exercise in the first place was because my loving wife refused to yell over the cabin noise on a trip back from Newcastle one weekend.

    The best bang for buck is the cabin. That area gave the greatest reduction in db reading. The bonnet and rear seat floor were marginal improvements. That said every area focused on was an improvement (however marginal) and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Doing the cabin and not doing the door seals or bulkhead vent seals won’t be as effective. The bonnet is probably not worth the effort for reducing in-cabin noise unless you drive on the highway with the vents open. At that speed the noise is generated by wind turbulence more so than the engine. I recommend you replace the bulkhead vent seals if you have an aged vehicle. There was a significant improvement in noise from fixing the seals (especially after I nicked the seal and fitted a seal that bridged the upper bulkhead lip).

    For a simple comparison what to expect the aural noise now in the cabin at 100 km/h is the same aural noise level that I experienced at 80 km/h prior to insulation.

    Overall cost – 20 rolls of insulation at $23 a roll ($460) + 2 cans of Quik grip spray on glue at $18 per can (say $40) + heat insulation mat at $100 + roll of 3 mm insulation applied to the door seals ($25) + about 3m of 12 mm seal for the bulkhead seals at $10/$12 p/m (say $30) = $650 ish.

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    Sounds like its been well worth the effort with some decent dB reductions!
    What you said about the bonnet liner seeming to make a difference but not showing up on the dB readings is probably just down to the limitations of the microphone in your phone. Most only work effectively between 300-3000Hz and the bonnet liner will be reducing the ticks and clicks and clatter noises that could be as high as 5000Hz so just won't be picked up by the microphone.

    Enjoy the peace and quiet!!

    Dan
    Dan

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    when i have a wheel on the bonnett the difrence is alot, ( so is fule economy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 85 county View Post
    when i have a wheel on the bonnett the difrence is alot, ( so is fule economy)
    Do you feel the economy gets better or worse? There was a link here a while back for a guy that did a full aerodynamic study on it. He concluded the wheel on the bonnet help the Def

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackDog View Post
    Do you feel the economy gets better or worse? There was a link here a while back for a guy that did a full aerodynamic study on it. He concluded the wheel on the bonnet help the Def
    my understanding of the referred paper (from South Africa) was that a tyre on the bonnet increased fuel consumption by 8% and a roof rack on a defender increased fuel consumption by 21%. The most efficient roof rack was mounted to the rear of the roof.

    MLD

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackDog View Post
    Do you feel the economy gets better or worse? There was a link here a while back for a guy that did a full aerodynamic study on it. He concluded the wheel on the bonnet help the Def
    Better, its more noticeable in speed than economy, with the Isuzu foot flat gives you 105klms and 3/4 foot gives you 105 klms an hour. With the wheel on and open road speeds 3/4 now gives 107-108.
    I know many will argue and I have read the post you are referring to. so all I am saying is i get more mileage out of a tank and I am a bit faster with the wheel on.

    oh and its quieter

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    I've been sound insulating slowly, and the most dramatic change was the panel the fuse box sits on. One of the rubber grommets was missing and the turbo whistle was terrible, covered is all up and big noise reduction. I agree with MLD, heaps nicer to drive, can hear the tyres more now, but that's git to be cause I can't hear the engine so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLD View Post
    Hi Alittlebitconcerned, cheers for that. I have the TD5 which comes with the plastic cover over the engine. I might take a closer look at the state of the insulation under the cover and replace it if such demands.

    I assume you fitted your noise blanket under the engine cover too.

    Doing a quick google search for engine blanket came up with NoiseKiller. For comparison do you know of other brands readily available in Oz?

    cheers MLD
    I have a noisekiller engine blanket on a 300tdi, basically lays right over the top of everything and a few zip ties to stop it moving. The trick seems to be to get is as far down between the bulkhead and engine as possible. Definite reduction in engine rattles with it on.

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