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    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    ...The castor correction rubbers are suppose to turn the diff housing ... so as to improve the castor & the diff angle ...
    Castor correction bushes improve the castor but they upset the diff angle on Land Rovers (and reduce articulation)

    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    ...My understanding is that the diff uni and the T/C uni are to be of the same amount of degrees to eliminate Propshaft / driveline vibration ...
    In many conventional vehicles your understanding would be correct, but for the front tailshaft of coil sprung Land Rovers it is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    ... Hence ... you can't have the diff uni straight and the T/C uni bent ... must be the same angle ...
    Yes you can - this is exactly how a tailshaft with a double cardan joint must be set-up (e.g. Disco II front tailshaft). And is very close to how earlier coil sprung front tailshafts should be.

    When Land Rover introduced coil springs, they raised the front of the engine to get more clearance between the engine and axle housing.

    This inclined the engine and driveline down to the rear. This was not a problem for the rear tailshaft - just angle the diff pinion up so it was parallel with the engine and gearbox.

    But angling the front diff pinion down would not be good for the u-joint angles.

    So Land Rover angled the diff pinion up toward the t/case. This makes the u-joints out of phase, but by rotating the front and rear u-joints out of line it bought the joints back into phase and corrected the vibrations to an acceptable amount.

    Rotating the swivel housing is the best way to correct the castor of a coil sprung Land Rover without upsetting the front tailshaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclarke View Post
    $150 per side

    Cheaper than cranked arms and does not cause propshaft issues.

    Or buy my 6 bolt ones for $200 posted.....
    im a little confused,whats the advantage of using your 6 bolt swivel housings????cheers Ramon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65 View Post
    Castor correction bushes improve the castor but they upset the diff angle on Land Rovers (and reduce articulation)


    In many conventional vehicles your understanding would be correct, but for the front tailshaft of coil sprung Land Rovers it is wrong.


    Yes you can - this is exactly how a tailshaft with a double cardan joint must be set-up (e.g. Disco II front tailshaft). And is very close to how earlier coil sprung front tailshafts should be.

    When Land Rover introduced coil springs, they raised the front of the engine to get more clearance between the engine and axle housing.

    This inclined the engine and driveline down to the rear. This was not a problem for the rear tailshaft - just angle the diff pinion up so it was parallel with the engine and gearbox.

    But angling the front diff pinion down would not be good for the u-joint angles.

    So Land Rover angled the diff pinion up toward the t/case. This makes the u-joints out of phase, but by rotating the front and rear u-joints out of line it bought the joints back into phase and corrected the vibrations to an acceptable amount.

    Rotating the swivel housing is the best way to correct the castor of a coil sprung Land Rover without upsetting the front tailshaft.

    Thanks for that, I remember something now about shafts being in and out of phase, I run unis on a lot of equipment but there is rarely any problems with vibrations that are noticable over the rest of the machine.

    So is it just a matter of turning the flanges around or can you split the shaft and move it around on splines? Ive never paid that much attention of the shaft itself.

    Ive recently replaced the unis but pit them back the way they came appart so that shouldnt be a problem unless they were pit together wrong to start with before I got it as it has always had a slight vibe but is more noticable now it's lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discologist View Post
    im a little confused,whats the advantage of using your 6 bolt swivel housings????cheers Ramon.

    What is the advantage????

    OK back to the start....
    Any lift over 2" can cause bump steer problems.
    Correcting the Caster fixes this.

    So these swivel housings will fix this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeds View Post
    slotted or extra holes drilled? everybody is referring to slotted is this what you are calling the extra holes

    any reason you didn't drill your own swivels out
    Slotted....
    and extra holes drilled as locking bolts so they wont rotate back

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclarke View Post
    Slotted....
    and extra holes drilled as locking bolts so they wont rotate back
    OK, i'm guessing the slots were not ery long....thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcrover View Post
    I see what you guys mean now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcrover View Post
    Thanks for that, I remember something now about shafts being in and out of phase, I run unis on a lot of equipment but there is rarely any problems with vibrations that are noticable over the rest of the machine.

    So is it just a matter of turning the flanges around or can you split the shaft and move it around on splines? Ive never paid that much attention of the shaft itself.

    Ive recently replaced the unis but pit them back the way they came appart so that shouldnt be a problem unless they were pit together wrong to start with before I got it as it has always had a slight vibe but is more noticable now it's lifted.
    Man your confuzzled, you can;t turn the flanges to change the phasing of the shaft, it needs to be split and rotated on the slip joint spline

    If you drag yourself underneath, the phasing should be out enough to be noticeable by eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeds View Post
    OK, i'm guessing the slots were not ery long....thanks
    Enough to allow 5degrees of rotation

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovercare View Post
    Man your confuzzled, you can;t turn the flanges to change the phasing of the shaft, it needs to be split and rotated on the slip joint spline

    If you drag yourself underneath, the phasing should be out enough to be noticeable by eye
    Thanks Matt, I was in a hurry when I chucked it all back together when I did it last time and Ive never had the slip joint appart so I wasnt sure what type it was, e.g. spline with 1 possition etc etc.

    Yeah matt, I know Im confuzzled, im pretty much off with the fairies today for some reason, might be because Im on holidays and not used to being this awake

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