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    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    I noticed on their website there's a note that care needs to be taken if the gearbox is rotated to make sure its sealed properly.
    Is there some sort of a rubber seal, or is it just a sealant job?
    Can it only be rotated in 90deg increments?

    I'm seriously thinking about giving one of these a go since my Warn motor has crapped itself. My warn has the 4 bolts facing forward with the clutch lever at the back near the top so I'd definitely need to rotate the gearbox on one of these.

    Steve
    Personally i would and speaking from experience and some serious winching over 3 years of ownership i am happy to give them a plug on the winch And yes you can rotate it to where ever you want it
    Just don`t get one of their 12v rattle guns
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    I think the term you are looking for is " distinguished offroading gentleman
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    More like "The Old Fart that just pulled my Hilux out of the sand"
    Many of us are Not blinded by brand names and look for value for money when we buy off road equipment and camping accessories.
    The likes of ARB or TJM have had a Monopoly for a long time and it is Great to see other Players entering the market that can offer affordable and cost effective alternatives for us "distinguished offroading gentleman"
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    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    Many of us are Not blinded by brand names and look for value for money when we buy off road equipment and camping accessories.
    The likes of ARB or TJM have had a Monopoly for a long time and it is Great to see other Players entering the market that can offer affordable and cost effective alternatives for us "distinguished offroading gentleman"
    Indeed. There are a few here who seem to have unlimited budgets. Sure, in their world the stuff from this mob is not worth it, but the winches and driving lights etc, that they recommend are worth more than my car, and are well outside my, for what is basically a hobby, budget. The Domim8r winch I have now is, on appearances, better than the Warn XDXXXX it replaces, at about a fifth of the price. The previous winch let me and my son down to the point that we spent 8 hours trying to dig ourselves out, in precisely the situation that a winch is for.

    Sure, a RENVA ( is that right? ) may last a bit longer, but if I service my Domin8r as they say, and run the rope out so often, surely it will do what I want it to do, which is get me out of a hole that poor driving got me into? Hopefully that won't be too often.



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    synthetic winch rope...

    Hi All

    I'm about to rip into a service of my old XD9000 and would like to replace the scratchy old cable with some nice blue rope. Can anyone recommend where to buy this?

    Has anyone tried "Dyneema" branded or is the hundred dollar 2 mile roll of similar looking stuff from China okay? I mean, the branded gear could very well come out the same factory door as the cheaper Chinesey alternative.

    If youtube recovery videos are anything to go by, I'd reckon the Chinese synthetic rope could be thoroughly tried and improved or at least tried ...
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    Make sure that the rope has a SK75 rating and you should be good to go.
    I noticed in the specs for the Dominator that it didn't say that the rope was SK75 So I replaced it.
    This only cost me $120 for 30m of 10mm rope with a 10,800kg breaking strain, The original rope supplied by Supercenter was 9.5mm 26m and the breaking strain wasn't specified.
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    SWL of your Dyneema rope

    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    Make sure that the rope has a SK75 rating and you should be good to go.
    I noticed in the specs for the Dominator that it didn't say that the rope was SK75 So I replaced it.
    This only cost me $120 for 30m of 10mm rope with a 10,800kg breaking strain, The original rope supplied by Supercenter was 9.5mm 26m and the breaking strain wasn't specified.
    You should NEVER work your rope to it's advertised Breaking Strain (BS), it only takes a few nicks and frayed fibres to Halve (or more) the advertised BS, Safe Working Load (SWL) and Working Load Limit (WLL) are designed as a Safety Factor (SF) and these are the loads you should work to, not the Advertised BS,
    In your case the BS of 10800kg BS with a SF of 6 (Gen. Purpose SF) your SWL is 1.8 Tonne, load or shock load your rope above this level and you risk damage or worse, injury, Regards Frank.
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    The 12.000lb winch only pulls at a maximum of 5.45 tonne on the first layer of rope and on the 4th layer it is at 3.125 tonne, I figure a rope with a BS of 10.8 tonne is safe enough as long as you don't shock load it by trying to tow at the same time as winching.
    Even IF the rope broke it would be a far safer situation to a steel rope breaking because the dyneema doesn't stretch to the same extent as the steel cable, This makes the synthetic rope a far safer option.
    As with all lifting gear including snatch straps they should be inspected before EVERY use and if in doubt then don't use it and replace it.
    I carry spare SK75 winch ropes just in case I bugger the one on the winch up and they also make excellent extensions as well.
    As far as I am concerned a winch recovery is a far safer procedure than a "Snatch" recovery because there is much more "Control" when a winch is used.
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    Winch rope

    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    The 12.000lb winch only pulls at a maximum of 5.45 tonne on the first layer of rope and on the 4th layer it is at 3.125 tonne, toI figure a rope with a BS of 10.8 nne is safe enough as long as you don't shock load it by trying to tow at the same time as winching.
    Even IF the rope broke it would be a far safer situation to a steel rope breaking because the dyneema doesn't stretch to the same extent as the steel cable, This makes the synthetic rope a far safer option.
    As with all lifting gear including snatch straps they should be inspected before EVERY use and if in doubt then don't use it and replace it.
    I carry spare SK75 winch ropes just in case I bugger the one on the winch up and they also make excellent extensions as well.
    As far as I am concerned a winch recovery is a far safer procedure than a "Snatch" recovery because there is much more "Control" when a winch is used.
    Wire winch rope does not stretch anywhere near as much as a Dyneema rope, when dyneema rope breaks it flys back (get on to U-Tube and look up some videos of wire rope and Dyneema destruction tests or Google it) and I wouldn't like it to hit me in the face, steel wire rope does not fly back, it unravels and it is the small wires unravelling that do the damage, at least while winching you will get a warning from steel wire rope when you see it start to unravel.
    I used to, as a Rigger build wire and rope slings (Nylon type rope was illegal to use for lifting back then because of it's stretch) and I used to have to test the rope (wire) to destruction, we (Vickers Cockatoo Sydney) had one of the largest test beds in Australia at that time) had to test all of our wire and never have I seen a wire rope stretch enough to cause flyback, the only stretching is the strands of wire settling into their final position the wire itself does not stretch, not that can be measured anyway . What I'm trying to get across to you and others is That BS is only valid BEFORE you use the rope, as soon as this rope is put into service the BS no longer applies the rope is forever changed and detioriating from the first use THAT is why a SF is used to compensate for USE and ABUSE and normal wear and tear, for instance if you don't wash and remove all of the grit from mud out of your rope the BS of the rope could be below it's actual SWL, WLL,heat and sunlight will also degrade Dyneema rope, in the type of winching and recovery I do a Dyneema rope would be useless and I would have to replace after each recovery (I have a 4WD recovery service on the South Coast of NSW), I have to sometimes skull drag rolled over 4WD's up out of ravines or gullies and no Dyneema rope would do the job without getting damaged to a point where it is dangerous, Regards Frank
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    Dyneema is the same stuff that braided fishing line is made from = Bugger all stretch, We are Not talking Nylon ropes here.
    Some of the braided winch ropes are NOT SK75 rated and they probably will stretch and have elasticity, The SK75 ropes DO stretch out because they are a braided rope and that gets taken up under strain but they have bugger all "Elasticity" and don't fly back like a giant rubber band.
    Steel cable is more "Robust" But after a while it gets kinked up and gets those nasty little wire bits sticking out of it that will tear through even a leather glove and steel also has elastic properties under strain and if it snaps it WILL come flying back.
    I'll stick to my Dyneema thank you, Steel cable is too heavy, dangerous and just plain "Nasty" to use.
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    Test bed breaks

    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    Dyneema is the same stuff that braided fishing line is made from = Bugger all stretch, We are Not talking Nylon ropes here.
    Some of the braided winch ropes are NOT SK75 rated and they probably will stretch and have elasticity, The SK75 ropes DO stretch out because they are a braided rope and that gets taken up under strain but they have bugger all "Elasticity" and don't fly back like a giant rubber band.
    Steel cable is more "Robust" But after a while it gets kinked up and gets those nasty little wire bits sticking out of it that will tear through even a leather glove and steel also has elastic properties under strain and if it snaps it WILL come flying back.
    I'll stick to my Dyneema thank you, Steel cable is too heavy, dangerous and just plain "Nasty" to use.
    Dyneema rope VS steel rope - strength test - break test - YouTube

    Maybe you should get the facts right before you make such wide ranging statements go to the Youtube Video above.
    You will note the loud crack when the Dyneema rope breaks, that is the crack made by the flying ends of the dyneema rope.
    Also you will note that one end of the wire rope is held together with Bulldog clips, totally illegal except for standing rigging like hand rail cables, never to be used for load bearing and installed incorrectly, you will note that the wire cable broke at the point of the incorrectly fitted clip.
    I have never seen a wire cable fly back like you describe, ever, how do you explain the dyneema rope disappearing from view and the only reason wire ropes get "kinked" and broken wires is because people abuse it, a dyneema rope will fail well before a wire rope if abused like a wire rope.
    I have a 17,000lb Runva hydraulic winch with 30m of 16mm 7 strand winch cable, with a full load on the hook it was wound back in then run out again and measured again it was less than an inch longer, so where is this bull**** elasticity you are so concerned about<regards Frank.
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