Thread: Domin8r X 12,000lb winch

Originally Posted by trout1105

I can remember Many Many similar negative arguments about Braided fishing line when it was first introduced and now most fishermen have reels loaded up with braid.
If you are winching correctly and are using a winch dampener correctly then regardless of what type of rope you are using there shouldn't be any safety issues.
The same diameter Dyneema is stronger than steel cable of the same diameter, I would think that this alone would make Dyneema a safer option to use.
Maybe in your situation where you are dragging trucks up out of cliffs and gully's where abrasion can be problematic then the steel rope is most likely the best option But most of us don't do that sort of thing with our winches and our recoveries are not that dramatic.
I think it all would boil down to our personal choices and each to their own.

Did you have a look at the Utube video, what a farce what sort of comparison test is it when you fit illegal clips and also fit them incorrectly, the way that bulldog clip was fitted caused the rope to break and if you watched it you will note that the wire cable did not fly apart or recoil.
Mythbusters did a whole show on how wire cable acts as a scythe when it snapped, totally busted the only way they could get the wire rope to cut their dummy (pig carcase) was to wrap the wire cable around the pig attach to a car and drive off, I don't mind or care if you don't like my advice, all I ask is that before you poo-pah my advice do some research first, Regards Frank.
BTW where are the Negative Comments supposedly made by me about Dyneema rope, except for the fact that it would be next to useless for the type of winching that I do, don't credit me for something I have not done, I only offered readily available advice on the dangers of using the BS to work by, as explained by having a Safety Factor, i.e. SWL or WLL.

I did watch that video and I have also done the research on Dyneema, Spectra and Plasma synthetics used for winching operations and I am unconvinced that a steel winch rope is the better option.
Here are a few links.

Synthetic Rope v Steel Cable on Winches - Ironman 4x4

Synthetic Winch Rope versus Steel Wire

Winch Rope Sk75 Synthetic Fibre 9mm x 50m 4WD Recovery - $295.00 : Winch Rope!, Free Shipping

Originally Posted by trout1105

I did watch that video and I have also done the research on Dyneema, Spectra and Plasma synthetics used for winching operations and I am unconvinced that a steel winch rope is the better option.
Here are a few links.

Synthetic Rope v Steel Cable on Winches - Ironman 4x4

Synthetic Winch Rope versus Steel Wire

Winch Rope Sk75 Synthetic Fibre 9mm x 50m 4WD Recovery - $295.00 : Winch Rope!, Free Shipping

Absolute crap, did you and these clowns that are hawking their (Vested interest) rope see with your own eyes, as I did in the destruction test the recoil of the Dyneema rope and do you really believe that wire rope is elastic, in other word the wire stretches and then returns to it's original length, physically impossible, if you stretch a bit of metal it stays stretched, no memory unlike Dyneema.
Mythbusters show on Fox totally busted this ridiculous myth that breaking wire rope recoils and will cut you in half, so much bull****, they could not
get their wire rope to snap and cut through the air like a scythe, why because wire rope is not elastic.
Imagine what it would be like riding in an elevator with wire rope that stretched or trying to lift a load with a crane, it just does not happen, you and these ****** flogging Dyneema have been watching too many Hollywood movies, simple, NO elasticity, NO recoil, Regards Frank.

In one of the All4 adventure "Out Take" videos when they were coming out of Truscott and Simon got stuck in the Creek the synthetic rope snapped because Jason used his rear winch with the camper trailer still attached and the rope got cut on the trailer.
The rope just dropped to the ground even though the stupid Buggers didn't have a winch dampener deployed and no one got hurt even though Jase was standing next to the rope at the time.

Like I said "Each to their own", You are obviously not a "Fan" of Synthetic rope and that is just Fine by Me But I Do prefer the synthetics along with quite a few other winch owners.
Why is it that Warn charges significantly more for a winch fitted with Dyneema than it does for the same winch fitted with wire?
One would assume that the better option would be the more expensive one, Runva and Iron Man also charge a premium for the Synthetic option as well.
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this everyone can choose which rope they prefer to use, Both types have their good and Bad points So it just boils down to a personal choice at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by trout1105

In one of the All4 adventure "Out Take" videos when they were coming out of Truscott and Simon got stuck in the Creek the synthetic rope snapped because Jason used his rear winch with the camper trailer still attached and the rope got cut on the trailer.
The rope just dropped to the ground even though the stupid Buggers didn't have a winch dampener deployed and no one got hurt even though Jase was standing next to the rope at the time.

Like I said "Each to their own", You are obviously not a "Fan" of Synthetic rope and that is just Fine by Me But I Do prefer the synthetics along with quite a few other winch owners.
Why is it that Warn charges significantly more for a winch fitted with Dyneema than it does for the same winch fitted with wire?
One would assume that the better option would be the more expensive one, Runva and Iron Man also charge a premium for the Synthetic option as well.
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this everyone can choose which rope they prefer to use, Both types have their good and Bad points So it just boils down to a personal choice at the end of the day.

Actually I do like Dyneema winch rope, I will be fitting it to the winch on my car trailer, reason, it doesn't "bird nest" when there is no load when spooling out, like wire rope does, the drum on this 2.5 tonne winch is too small (Dia.) for wire rope.
The point I'm trying to get across that you should only believe half of what you see and nothing you hear, there are so many false and dangerous methods sprouted by people who heard it from a mate of a mate of the bloke that lives down the street.
You hear it often enough and people start to think it must be correct, well in most cases it is total and utter bull****, you need to work recovery (read Rigging) gear according to the rules, those rules are based on the Laws of Physics and are designed to protect you and others, BS of a rope or cable should never ever be considered, as I said prev. BS is only useful to know BEFORE it ever gets used, because from Minute 1 of use the BS no longer applies, divide your BS by 6 and that will give you a Safe method of working, Regards Frank.

The biggest BS is calling all synthetic winch ropes "Dyneema"
Dyneema is a brand of synthetic fibre made in the Netherlands.
The synthetic rope on the 4WD Supercentre is not from the Netherlands but a Chinese version which may or may not be suitable.

The issue I have with the 4WD Supercentre is the lack of customer support and the large variance of quality within the same products.

The end of the day, regular use of a winch even if it's just in your driveway spooling some cable/rope out and powering it in will help dispel any moisture and keep your winch in a good working order.
Also if you are going out on a trip where there is a good chance you might need your winch, test it at home to ensure its working correctly before you really need it.

The point I'm trying to get across that you should only believe half of what you see and nothing you hear,

I fully agree with that
I have used both wire and synthetic and I believe that the wire rope would outlive the synthetic rope, However the ease of use and the safety factors that come from using the synthetic product outweigh the longevity factor of the wire.

The synthetic rope on the 4WD Supercentre is not from the Netherlands but a Chinese version which may or may not be suitable.

I agree.
There are NO specs given on the winch rope that comes with the 4WD Supercentre winches, I changed mine out for an SK75 rated rope.

Originally Posted by trout1105

I have used both wire and synthetic and I believe that the wire rope would outlive the synthetic rope

Disagree sorry.
Steel cable very easily loosens on the drum when you spool it out and is near on impossible to not winch over the top of loose cable which kinks and damages the cable from the very first use.
It's easy to ruin a cable on one outing yet it will take many uses of the synthetic rope to start to damage it