Thread: How to integrate rear indicator lights with pork pies without changing originality?

Lucas part No for the trafficator switch would be 31379A
Now for authentic type switch one of these would be around the mark

Lucas SD 84 -A30 -A35 semaphore switch is the period type for series

Originally Posted by groucho

A few series ones i have wrecked had this type mounted in various locations

That is what I have in my SW to operate the inlight flashers.

Garry
was that a factory plate for the s/wgns? Looks like it was the high low beam switch as some stage?..


Groucho,
I assume that is a dash mount switch?

Yes that plate is original - the indicator switch is as shown (dunno why they did it that way as steering column aftermarket switches were available then.

I haven't traced the wiring from it as yet but I believe that somewhere that it was changed for some other purpose - the marking pen does indicate Hi/Lo but the foot operated switch is still there.

without changing originality?
As to the start of the thread
While you are panelbeating the arse end of your Land Rover, if you survive,
while having non conforming red flashing rear lights you might re think that like the vast majority of us, it may well have been a smart idea to put amber flashers that are universally recconised around the world for saftey sake
. I see a lot of old restored cars that have been retrofitted with flashers that are not all that obtrusive. I reguard early series (Lucas)lighting systyems to be only marginal at the best. Thats my 2 cents worth including GST....

Here is the relevant legislation operable in New South Wales.

Everyone may like to keep a copy of this just in case they need it one day. You certainly can have RED rear indicators or use trafficators but be prepared for arguments. I have reformatted it a bit for easier reading and highlighted some headings.

Schedule 2 Vehicle standards – New South Wales
113 Operation and visibility of direction indicator lights

(1) A direction indicator light fitted to a motor vehicle must:
(a) when operating, display regular flashes of light at a rate of not over 120 flashes a minute, and:
(i) for a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels—at least 60 flashes a minute, or
(ii) for any other motor vehicle—at least 45 flashes a minute, and
(b) be able to be operated by a person in the normal driving position, and
(c) be wired to an audible or visible device in the vehicle that tells the driver that the direction indicator light is operating, and
(d) flash at the same time and rate as any other direction indicator lights fitted on the same side of the vehicle.

(2) A direction indicator light fitted to a side of a trailer must, when operating, flash at the same time and rate as the direction indicator light or lights fitted to the same side of the motor vehicle towing the trailer.

(3) The flashes of light displayed by a direction indicator light must be:
(a) if the light faces forward—white or yellow, and
(b) if the light faces backwards:
(i) yellow, or
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973—yellow or red, and
(c) if the light faces out from the side of the vehicle:
(i) white or yellow towards the front and side, and
(ii) for a vehicle built before July 1973—yellow or red towards the rear and side, and
(iii) for a vehicle built after June 1973—yellow towards the rear and side.

Note. The ADRs only allow yellow direction indicator lights.

(4) If a motor vehicle’s direction indicator lights display only yellow light, the vehicle may be equipped to allow the lights to operate simultaneously on both sides of the vehicle, if a visible or audible signal tells the driver when the lights are operating simultaneously.(covers Hazard Lights)

(5) When on, a direction indicator light must be visible 30 metres from:
(a) if the light faces forwards—the front of the vehicle, or
(b) if the light faces backwards—the rear of the vehicle, or
(c) if the light faces out from the side of the vehicle—that side of the vehicle.

(6) When on, each direction indicator light in at least 1 pair of lights fitted on or towards the front of a prime mover, or a motor vehicle over 7.5 metres long, must be visible at a point:
(a) 1.5 metres at right angles from the side of the vehicle where the light is fitted, and
(b) in line with the rear of the vehicle.

And this covers Trafficators:
130 Turn signals

A turn signal must:
(a) consist of a steady or flashing illuminated yellow sign at least 15 centimetres long and 25 millimetres wide that:
(i) when in operation—is kept horizontal, and
(ii) when not in operation—is kept in a position so it is unlikely that the driver of another vehicle or anyone else would regard it as a signal, and
(b) be fitted to the side of the motor vehicle at least 50 centimetres and not over 2.1 metres above ground level, in a position so the driver of the vehicle, from the normal driving position, can see whether the signal is in operation, and
(c) be able to be operated by the driver from the normal driving position, and
(d) when in operation, be visible from both the front and rear of the vehicle at a distance of 30 metres.

Part 11 Other matters
180 Restored vehicles

For the purposes of this Schedule, a restored vehicle is taken to have been built when it was originally built and not when it was restored.

Source:
Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007
Current version for 20 August 2010 to date (accessed 25 October 2010 at 17:32)
Schedule 2

You can read the original here:
NSW Legislation


Bob

Originally Posted by bobslandies

Here is the relevant legislation operable in New South Wales.

<snip> ...
And this covers Trafficators:
130 Turn signals

A turn signal must:
(a) consist of a steady or flashing illuminated yellow sign at least 15 centimetres long and 25 millimetres wide that:
(i) when in operation—is kept horizontal, and
(ii) when not in operation—is kept in a position so it is unlikely that the driver of another vehicle or anyone else would regard it as a signal, and
(b) be fitted to the side of the motor vehicle at least 50 centimetres and not over 2.1 metres above ground level, in a position so the driver of the vehicle, from the normal driving position, can see whether the signal is in operation, and
(c) be able to be operated by the driver from the normal driving position, and
(d) when in operation, be visible from both the front and rear of the vehicle at a distance of 30 metres.

...<snip>

Bob

Not challenging you, but once again an RTA Road Rule makes little sense.

How is the driver supposed to see the trafficator on the near side of the vehicle without having to manipulate his body out of the normal driving position in say a Rover P3 or a Morris Minor or any number of other vehicles with the trafficator fixed to the middle of the "B" pillar, or a Land Rover 80" with the canvas hood and the trafficator on the "A" pillar above the windscreen top ?