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    So I've done all the searches and I'm not new to series Land rovers or bleeding brakes but this thing is really starting to **** me off. Been about 6 months now on and off trying to get a decent pedal in my 2A swb. Never had a problem bleeding till I replaced all the brakes wheel cylinders new pads and drums brake lines and rear pipes. First lot of cylinders I got were **** and leaked got them from FWD Blackburn.

    Master is fine I have put a bled nipple in the output and the pedal was solid as a rock.

    Brake clamped the hoses at the wheel cylinder end and was still fairly hard bit of flex in the hose but still good.

    So the problem seems to be at the wheels, but I've bleed the **** out of these things 15lts of brake fluid over the last six months!!!!!! stuffing around with this thing 6 months and 15lts is ridiculous.

    I was thinking it could be the pads not seating in the drum then flexing but it never gets solid I figure once they flexed out they would become solid because the are new and so are the drums there's not much room for flex they rub on minimum adjustment on the snail.

    Anyone please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by custommade View Post
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    Anyone please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    There is some advice about bleeding the brakes with the front elevated, however there are two methods you may not have tried.

    Pressure bleeding the system and the second one is reverse bleeding.

    To reverse bleed, start at the most distant wheel and have the reservoir empty. Using a syringe and tight fitting hose on the bleed nipple. Open the bleed nipple and syringe the fluid into the cylinder. At the same time have someone watch for bubbles rising in the reservoir and to remove fluid as it fills (to stop it overflowing). When there are no more bubbles, lock off the bleed nipple and move to the next closest cylinder and repeat.

    Once you have done all four wheels see what your pedal is like.

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    When you clamp off the wheels at the flex pipe, releasing just one wheel at a time, does one wheel give a different response to the others? If they all feel the same, maybe its an assembly mistake.

    Would it work to take off one drum at a time, tighten a ratchet strap around the shoes to stop them popping seals or whatever happens, and getting some one to gently pump the brakes? You might see whats going wrong that way.

    Bleeding is fairly easy on these machines so I doubt it's your method.

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    As suggested. Clamp off all three hoses, and confirm you have a rock solid pedal. If not, remember you can bleed at any union. Bleed rear brakes first, one at a time, with adjusters slackened right off, and if necessary clamping the shoes in tight after removing the drums.

    Then reclamp the rear hose and do the front ones, one at a time, again, with the adjusters backed right off, and the shoes clamped if necessary. Remember, again, that you can bleed at any union. Do it systematically - if you cannot get the hydraulic system rock solid on a circuit, such as a front wheel, try bleeding at the unions, and consider reverse bleeding.

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    I have done the presser bleeding .I have a pressure bleed kit have tried reverse bleeding but didn't find it to successful just messy and as I said it has rock solid pedal with the clamps on, gets worse as I take each one off have bleed them tacking one clamp off at a time as well. never had this much trouble bleeding a landy before.
    Because its solid with the clamps on I figure its at the cylinders but I cant get any air out of them just clear fluid.

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    It will be in the adjustment.

    If you have the lines clamped, only two shoe's will move. As you release the clamps more shoes start moving giving more pedal travel. If you are getting no bubbles, there are none.

    Check your shoes. The rears are leading and trailing on each wheel. Where you put them makes a difference. Make sure snail cams operate the correct way and shoes are perpendicular to the drums. Lift wheel off the ground and adjust snail cam untill it stops the wheel dead, then back off 2 clicks.

    Just one incorrectly adjusted shoe out of 8 can make woeful brakes.

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    my money says you have the shoes in the wrong spots and you cant get them do adjust up.

    Stage 1/county./defender/perentine brake warning

    heres how to check the rears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    my money says you have the shoes in the wrong spots and you cant get them do adjust up.

    Stage 1/county./defender/perentine brake warning

    heres how to check the rears.
    it's a short wheelbase so not the same brakes as the Defender/110/109
    Quote Originally Posted by custommade View Post
    So I've done all the searches and I'm not new to series Land rovers or bleeding brakes but this thing is really starting to **** me off. Been about 6 months now on and off trying to get a decent pedal in my 2A swb. .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by custommade View Post
    I have done the presser bleeding .
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    Because its solid with the clamps on I figure its at the cylinders but I cant get any air out of them just clear fluid.
    were the cylinders full before you fitted them up?

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