Thread: Burt - Series IIA 88"

hi mate'..
i just read from the Haynes book about the chassis numbering n identification..
its difficult to track what year is it your landy series II, because your Vin number:24305923b in categorize as the 1962 - 1979 years
this is a 8 digit chassis numbering system with suffix letters:
by reading the first, second and the third digits you can indicated the model and spesification:
if the first three digit: 241-354 is a series II models
if the first three digit: 901-965 is a series III models

and the last 5 digits (starting with 00001) indicate teh serial number...
and these 8 digits type identification year have no identification digit of the year model manufacture...

different that the previous year indentification number type:
1948-1949, 1950-1953, 1954-1955, 1955, 1956-1961 they all have the identification of the year model manufacture..
in the 1962 - 1979 year they dont have the identification of the year model manufacture, and after that in 1980 - date years they al have the conventional Vehicle Identification Number (VIN)..

im sorry i cant help you too much mate'..
but i'll lookin for the answer how to identification year model manufacture of the 1962-1979 year...

(source of information from Haynes restoration manual land Rover Series I, II, & III, page 285 - "chassis numbering")

best regards,
daniel prasetyo martopo...

Hi again,
I have just discussed about your series II landy with my dad (he knows a lot better than me about landy) to track the year of manufacture.
First he was impressed with your sII, and so do I,
According to our observation from some of your photos compare with land rover literatures and manual books that we have, your land rover series II was the 1962 or the 1963 model.

Here are some recognition that we found:
Engine Room:
- The radiator of your sII is the early model (late 1958 - 1963), and it had a year code/number in the upside of the radiator (with circle shape).
- It seems the exhaust have been replaced with the late model sII model (sIIa).
- Did the brake master is a Compression barrel (CB ) type? Because it should be like this model for a SII.
- Charger system should use Generator (dynamo) with regulator voltage in this landy type.
- Carburator should be the solex model/type.
- Timing point at flywheel
See more on the Haynes restoration Manual land rover series I, II, & III (H622), page 167 ERM-14, ERM-15

ERM-14



ERM-15




Bulkhead/cabin(dashboard):
- the panel, steering wheel, turn switch, push horn at steering wheel on your sII landy indicate that its an early model
for late 1958 untill 1960 push horn at outer column with bracket.
- ventilator mechanism for 1961-sIIa should be like in the book Haynes restoration Manual land rover series I, II, & III (H622), page 250 , picture D-12. (we cant see clearly in your landy)

D-12

- wiper motor is correct according sI until sII 1964

Body:
- like we saw on the pictures of your landy, your body is sII (not sIIa) so it wont be more than 1965. it can be recognize from the chrome ring lamp that you have.
- you can recognize again from the mounting for “rear check strap” sII at the chassis, should be like in the Haynes restoration Manual land rover series I, II, & III (H622) page 92 CR-1, or page 93 CR-2. not like in page 94 – C-7 which are a sIIa model.

CR-1



CR-1



C-7



Our conclusion is, your land rover sII is a 1962 model year or 1963 year, from the character we catch from the photos and the books…
My dad has a tip, if you want to increase the power and acceleration of your landy (if it is 2286cc petrol), we’ve been modifying the engine by using petrol defender camshaft, and cylinder head must use the ratio 1:8. it’s a great result, you should try it mate’…

Well, we hope this will help..
sorry if there are any mistakes..


Regards,
Daniel prasetyo martopo & Martopo Sudjarwo

The above probably is fairly good at identifying it as 1962-3. But if it that date is a Series 2a, which replaced the Series 2 in 1961. The headlight type is not diagnostic, as the older type remained on Australian assembled 2as until the headlights moved into the guards (and are easily swapped anyway).

Vent levers are similarly easily swapped, as are a lot of other parts, including carburetter and exhaust manifold (often swapped as the newer one is a major improvement!).

While the change to the Defender (actually 90/110) camshaft is probably a good idea it is not terribly practical - this engine was never sold in Australia, as the only engines sold in coil spring Landrovers before 1992 were the V8 and the Isuzu diesel, and after that only the 200Tdi diesel. It is probably feasible to import one from the UK, but it would be expensive.

John

Go on, taker her back to original, it is acutally fun, especially as they near completion!!

Nice swap by the way. I'll have to come out and have a look at the old girl one day!

Thanks for the detective work fellas, I might head out today and have a closer look at that radiator to see if I can find a number and take some more photos of the interior and engine bay

Originally Posted by grill

Our conclusion is, your land rover sII is a 1962 model year or 1963 year, from the character we catch from the photos and the books…

Well, we hope this will help..
sorry if there are any mistakes..


Regards,
Daniel prasetyo martopo & Martopo Sudjarwo

I was just thinking if its either '62 or '63 wouldnt it have to be a '63 because that suffix "b" was only used from March 1963 till April 1966

So it must be a 1963?

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Go on, taker her back to original, it is acutally fun, especially as they near completion!!

Nice swap by the way. I'll have to come out and have a look at the old girl one day!

Ill see how I go with the original bit will be a lot of work.

Yeah sure that would be good, send me a PM when your free and Ill see what Im up to

This is the rest of the collection, an old photo my blue Defender should be in that line up as well

G'day Jock The Rock


Don't take the Haynes book as gospel in regard to ID as this is an english publication and it gives ID's to UK manufactured vehicles (Home Market) yours would probably be a PMC assembled vehicle and would have minor differences, IE, wiper motor shapes, Aust used what was available in stock until this stock was used, the Radiators were Australian Radiators, (usually NATRACORE) Starters and generators were often Lucas Aust.

But that said, with a 24305923b I would put it as a 62 build for the 63 model, there should be a PMC body plate on the inside of the cab on the firewall ahead of the gearlevers, this will give the Body No *****and the Car No 88-****** these would match. It will have the 2.25litre 7:1 comp ratio motor, and would have been fitted with a Solex Carby,(probably has a Holden BXOV-1 on it now,59-65) the screen vents might be the older screw out type, it would have been POSITIVE earth originally, but may have been changed to NEG. earth, some gauges may not be connected as they would read opposite to they're original set-up, an easy fix, you will get a lot of enjoyment out of bringing it back up to scratch,keep the Holden Carby as it is much easier to work on and parts are still available, or you could fit a webber 34ICH (direct Landrover replacement ex UK)

Hope that is of some help

cheers

g'day uncleHo...

thanks for your advice about the Haynes..to be honest, that was our concern too about the vehicle manufacture, because Haynes refers to the Uk manufacture...and as far as i know the landrover in Australia have a so much different than the UK's, right?..thx for the input...

regards,
daniel prasetyo

G'Day Jock

Let me know if you need any chassis bits, you can have what you want off my spares one if the bits are O/K. Since the price of steel dropped it has Just stayed in the yard.


Cheers Andy.