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Thread: Camshaft Timing on a 2.6 6cyl?

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    Camshaft Timing on a 2.6 6cyl?

    I have my 2.6 in bits at the moment because I ran it out of oil thanks to an oil burning (rings) problem and a non working oil pressure light switch.

    Big end journals survived thankfully, so just need a good deglaze, rings and bigend shells.

    So.... while it is in bits I thought of fiddling with the camshaft timing. This engine produces its max torque at about 1500rpm, which is great for climbing walls, but for on road use I think I would like the peak to be about 2000rpm.

    I read somewhere that the USA version of this engine produced its peak torque at around 2500rpm with a different camshaft and the Weslake head,

    Has anyone changed valve timing on this engine? With what result?

    I don't want to go overboard with this, I am keeping the std inlet and exhaust manifolds, but wonder if a small change is doable, maybe by just advancing the camshaft a degree or so?

    Anyone done anything like this to a 2.6 6 cyl?

    Engine is in a pretty original 1980 ex military GS ute, so I don't want to do any engine transplants (Although I did think about a 3.5 )

    Terry
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    G'day Terry,
    I don't think it would be possible to change the camshaft timing unless you could buy adjustable timing wheels. I have no idea if such a thing exists but try asking Turner Engineering in the UK, who have specialised in Land Rover engines for decades.

    Alternatively; Uncle Ho on this forum did mention once that the army sixes had been assembled with the wrong camshaft and that the proper one made a world of difference.

    In any case, a new camshaft is probably in order for your engine as they don't last forever.

    Crow Cams and Wade Cams will grind camshafts to your specification as long as they have a blank that will fit the six,

    Cheers Charlie

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    Thanks Charlie,

    Yes I don't mind getting a cam reground, just hoping to find out if anyone on here has done it.
    Cam chainwheel on these engines has a 3 keyway vernier arrangement for adjusting timing a bit.
    Trouble is there are not many people in the cam grinding business these days who remember anything about the 2.6.
    Most convert them into boat mooring anchors, but I kinda like them.
    I have a baby version of the engine in my S1.(4cyl )

    Cheers,
    Terry

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    hotrodding a rover 2.6

    I have for a while being slowly assembling a collection of 2.6's, I hope to have a late 2A flat tray running at the end of it all.

    Found in the scrub not far from me, a near complete Rover 6 cylinder engine, missing only the carby with a swath plate for the auto, now that connection with the auto suggests to me that it is the 3 litre sister engine to the Land rover 2.6.

    I am wondering if the bits like the cam, crank and rods, from that 3 litre can be used to improve the performance of a 2.6 ?
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    That's a good find Arthur. It is a good possibility that it is a 3 litre.
    My S1 and the 2.6 share the same bore size, and 2 more cylinders would make 3.0 litres, so the 3 litre must have a longer stroke, I imagine the crank would fit into the 2.6 block ok
    There must be heaps of forgotten tuning info for these engines.

    Terry

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    G'day Terry,
    I did consider the three positions on the timing wheel and it is worth a try, but I doubt it will give the precise positioning that the engine requires.

    Arthur, the 3 litre engine was a much better set-up and with a different camshaft to the Land Rover and twin carburettors, was able to push the P4 105 and the P5 cars, up to around about 100mph. Ask Diana about a conversion as she knew of a 3 litre Land Rover in Sydney. Of course the gearbox then becomes the weakest link

    Cheers Charlie

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    I just asked a chap ( John Lobban ) here in Tassie about the 3 Litre motor, he has a workshop manual that I can borrow and told me that those parts are interchangeable.
    WORKSHOP MANUAL ROVER 3 LITRE | eBay

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    130man 10th February 2012, 07:49 AM
    HI -------, if you are looking for originality, you will ,of course, stick to the 2.6 litre motor. However, in terms of drivability, the 3 litre version available in Rover cars of the time were much better engines. They have the same external dimensions and a longer stroke, so more torquey. Fitted with the symmetrical exhaust manifold, they did not suffer from burnt out exhaust valves on cylinders 5 and 6 which was a common problem with the 2.6 . All that was required was a modification to the manifold so that the exhaust pipe would run down and under the passenger floor. This engine transformed the performance of the L/R and should have been the engine of choice at the time, in my opinion. Cheers, 130man. ( It might have required the 2.6 L sump and oil pick up being swapped over, to retain oil supply at steep angles, but I am not sure, as this was all done more than thirty years ago. )
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    Hi Arthur,

    I reckon the crank and rods would be well worth swapping.
    I wonder what LR engineers were smoking when the decided to reduce the 3 litre to 2.6 for the Landrover.
    Surely would have been better to upgrade the brakes.

    If you can find the 3 litre camshaft timing info from that manual It would be great if you could post it here.

    Cheers,
    Terry

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    whoe and go

    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    Surely would have been better to upgrade the brakes.
    The Rover cars around this time had a very interesting arrangement with their front drum brakes, I am wondering if there are any posters on here who can tell you about this?

    If you can find the 3 litre camshaft timing info from that manual It would be great if you could post it here.
    I will have a look at John Lobban's workshop manual when I borrow it. I am tipping that the cam set up will be well documented, I should then be able to scan the relevant pages over to this thread..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rover-56 View Post
    Hi Arthur,

    I reckon the crank and rods would be well worth swapping.
    I wonder what LR engineers were smoking when the decided to reduce the 3 litre to 2.6 for the Landrover.
    Surely would have been better to upgrade the brakes.

    If you can find the 3 litre camshaft timing info from that manual It would be great if you could post it here.

    Cheers,
    Terry
    They did upgrade the brakes for the six. Whether the brakes were good enough for the higher power of the three litre is probably a matter of opinion - none of their contemporary competitors who put larger engines into four wheel drives at the time seem to have been too worried about braking performance - for example the more powerful FJ45 at that time had smaller brakes than the Landrover six, as well as a higher maximum weight.

    But the reduced engine size was probably also influenced by the need to use the existing power train, which probably would have had problems with increased power. Remember that at the time, although Rover had the majority of the four wheel drive market outside the dollar area, it was still a small company, with limited resources - which at that time were largely going into bringing the Range Rover into production. (And it is just possible that they saw a larger engine in the LR as taking sales from the RR - nobody had any real idea of how well it would sell)

    John
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