Thread: 1418 prefix engines

Richard

The first CKD set included
143800001 has engine 141800070
143800006 has engine 141800066

the other 4 had engines one hundred later
143800002 had engine 141800169
143800003 had engine 141800170
143800004 had engine 141800164
143800005 had engine 141800167

The next two CKD sets had engines at aprox 400 and 600

Diana

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Richard

The first CKD set included
143800001 has engine 141800070
143800006 has engine 141800066

the other 4 had engines one hundred later
143800002 had engine 141800169
143800003 had engine 141800170
143800004 had engine 141800164
143800005 had engine 141800167

The next two CKD sets had engines at aprox 400 and 600

Diana

Hi Diana
Thanks for that info. Some in the UK Series 2 club believe about a 100 CKDs were sent to Australia in Feb 1958.

Those Figures would indicate only 1 set of 6 was sent in Feb and then the next two sets in Mar-April.

Thanks Again

Richard

Richard

I think you are misreading the information, the Gaydon dispatch books will be more accurate in the date information when the kits were sent.

You will no doubt be aware that a CKD kit was a number of large crates which contained sufficient assemblies and parts to build 6 vehicles. The first set was shipped on the "Geelong Star" and the next two kits arrived on the "Westmeath" which may be the February and March you speak of. It took about 11 weeks of bobing up and down on the ocean waves for the crates to arrive at Port Jackson, they were then freighted out to Enfield in what was Western Sydney, probably a days delay including unnloading the ship, loading the freight car, the train journey and final unloading at PMC, where they were placed in storage ready to build. The earliest they would have arrived at the PMC factory was May or June 1958 at which time they were still building and selling Series 1 Land Rovers.

The order in which the crates were unpacked seems random, particularly for the component assemblies and probably depended upon the way they were stored. i.e last crate in first crate out as chassis #13, #14, #17, #18 have engines in the 370 range while chassis #7, #8, #9, #10, #11 and #12 had engines in the high 600s or low 700s. In fact #91, #94, #95 and #96 have lower engine numbers than chassis #7 - #12 (Eng #467, #463, #474, #466)

The Grenville Motors boks are essentially sales records not production records, as a vehicle likely remained in a storage yard before being sold or shipped to a final dealer at which time the date is entered.

Originally Posted by bulletproof

Hi Diana
Thanks for that info. Some in the UK Series 2 club believe about a 100 CKDs were sent to Australia in Feb 1958.

Those Figures would indicate only 1 set of 6 was sent in Feb and then the next two sets in Mar-April.

Thanks Again

Richard

On your February dates, I thought it was mentioned that Rover was building about 100 Land Rover vehicles a week, locally. that would mean that 400 engines would be used in the Solihull factory in February.

CKD Kit 1 had engines from the first two weeks of February, CKD kit 3 CKD Kit 13 & CKD kit 16 had engines from the end of February and begining of March and CKD Kit 2 & CKD Kit 12 had engines from the middle of March "58 and CKD kit 14 & CKD kit 15 had engines from the end of March.

If however the engines were assembled at more than 100 per week we have to revise the calculation.

Remember these records are only for vehicles sold or distributed in NSW which is not all of PMC's production.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Richard

I think you are misreading the information, the Gaydon dispatch books will be more accurate in the date information when the kits were sent.

You will no doubt be aware that a CKD kit was a number of large crates which contained sufficient assemblies and parts to build 6 vehicles. The first set was shipped on the "Geelong Star" and the next two kits arrived on the "Westmeath" which may be the February and March you speak of. It took about 11 weeks of bobing up and down on the ocean waves for the crates to arrive at Port Jackson, they were then freighted out to Enfield in what was Western Sydney, probably a days delay including unnloading the ship, loading the freight car, the train journey and final unloading at PMC, where they were placed in storage ready to build. The earliest they would have arrived at the PMC factory was May or June 1958 at which time they were still building and selling Series 1 Land Rovers.

Hi Diana
This is very useful information. No one has ever given me anything specific regarding dispatch dates to Australia. All they say is we are led to believe...
So I have now given them this info and asked them to be specific.

I am only going on the 1418 engine numbers. Rover at this time were doing over 100 engines a day but most of these were going into series 1s as 1118....s until Mar 24.

All I know for sure is that my one has 141800023 and was dispatched 3 Mar and the first UK ones were around the beginning of April with engines around 14180500+ so the 600-700 range in your figures would have been after that.

By what you have said , there was definately only one kit sent very early on the "Geelong Star" and the engine numbers back that up

Very interesting and I will await a response From the Series 2 club

Thanks again

Richard

Ship - - - - - - Chassis No - Engine No
1 -- Geelong Star 143800006 - 141800066
2 -- Geelong Star 143800001 - 141800070
3 -- Geelong Star 143800004 - 141800164
4 -- Geelong Star 143800005 - 141800167
5 -- Geelong Star 143800002 - 141800169
6 -- Geelong Star 143800003 - 141800170
7 -- Westmeath - 143800017 - 141800366
8 -- Westmeath - 143800013 - 141800370
9 -- Westmeath - 143800014 - 141800371
10 - Westmeath-143800018 - 141800375
11 - Rhe?cenor- 143800094 - 141800463
12 - Qld Star - - 143800075 - 141800465
13 - Rhe?cenor- 143800096 - 141800466
14 - Rhe?cenor- 143800091 - 141800467
15 - Woric ------ 143800353 - 141800473
16 - Rhe?cenor- 143800095 - 141800474
17 - Qld Star - - 143800071 - 141800478
18 - Qld Star - - 143800073 - 141800492
19 - Qld Star - - 143800074 - 141800495
20 - Westmeath-143800016 - 141800496
21 - Qld Star - - 143800077 - 141800497
22 - Aust. Star - 143800262 - 141800501
23 - Qld Star - - 143800076 - 141800502
24 - Qld Star - - 143800072 - 141800552
25 - Westmeath-143800015 - 141800556
26 - Westmeath-143800010 - 141800557
27 - Woric ------ 143800352 - 141800562
28 - Qld Star - - 143800068 - 141800650
29 - Westmeath-143800008 - 141800652
30 - Westmeath-143800012 - 141800653
31 - Westmeath-143800007 - 141800654
32 - Qld Star - - 143800078 - 141800658
33 - Qld Star - - 143800067 - 141800660
34 - Qld Star - - 143800070 - 141800661
35 - Westmeath-143800011 - 141800662
36 - Qld Star - - 143800069 - 141800664
37 - Westmeath-143800009 - 141800665
38 - Aust. Star - 143800256 - 141800723
39 - Port Nelson 143800250 - 141800724
40 - Qld Star - - 143800081 - 141800823
41 - Qld Star - - 143800084 - 141800824
42 - Qld Star - - 143800087 - 141800825
43 - Aust. Star - 143800253 - 141800861
44 - Aust. Star - 143800260 - 141800883
45 - Aust. Star - 143800255 - 141800903
46 - Qld Star - - 143800089 - 141800907
47 - Qld Star - - 143800086 - 141800908
48 - Qld Star - - 143800080 - 141800909
49 - Qld Star - - 143800088 - 141800910
50 - Qld Star - - 143800085 - 141800911
51 - Qld Star - - 143800090 - 141800912
52 - Aust. Star - 143800304 - 141800914
53 - Qld Star - - 143800079 - 141800917
54 - Polydorus - 143800516 - 141800920
55 - Aust. Star - 143800258 - 141800923
56 - Aust. Star - 143800254 - 141800936
57 - Rhe?cenor - 143800093 - 141800970
58 - Rhe?cenor - 143800092 - 141800976
59 - Woric ------ 143800351 - 141801028
60 - Woric ------ 143800349 - 141801035
61 - Ajana ------ 143800423 - 141801089
62 - Ajana ------ 143800424 - 141801091
63 - Ajana ------ 143800425 - 141801092
64 - Ajana ------ 143800422 - 141801093
65 - Aust. Star - 143800083 - 141801101
64 - Aust. Star - 143800082 - 141801102
65 - Port Sydney 143800420 - 141801180
66 - Ajana ------ 143800426 - 141801182
67 - Polydorus - 143800512 - 141801196
68 - Ajana ------ 143800421 - 141801198

P.S. This is a list of engine numbers less than #1200, remember the ship is an indication of the kit that the chassis/car number arrived on, it does not represent which ship any other assembly may have arrived on. i.e. the PMC factory would have opened a crate of engines that may not have arrived on the same ship as the vehicle that is being assembled at the time.

P.P.S. Other CKD kit batches would have arrived in Sydney, assembled by PMC and have been distributed by another state's master distributor, hence engines from other kits not distributed in NSW may have ended up in NSW vehicles.

P.P.P.S. AFAIK at the time there were assembly plants in Sydney, South Africa, India and possibly Iran.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Richard

I think you are misreading the information, the Gaydon dispatch books will be more accurate in the date information when the kits were sent.

Hi Diana
We are at last making progress and your numbers tied in nicely with the Gaydon historical records

Here is a reply from the UK by 58Paul who keeps the records and does research at the museum

Quote
Hi Richard, it was I who noted the dates down when looking through the records a few years back for the 100 or so Feb 58 ckd's.

Looks like I was wrong? and this is off LRFAQ website, though I do know this isnt always acurate either but it does tie in with your findings.

Vehicle
Serial # In Out Colour Dispatched To
143800001 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800002 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800003 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800004 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800005 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800006 28 Feb 1958 28 Feb 1958 Batch #1 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800007 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800008 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800009 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800010 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800011 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney
143800012 14 Mar 1958 14 Mar 1958 Batch #2 To Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney

Next time I'm at Gaydon I will double check the 1438's in the dispatch book there.


Cheers Richard

Originally Posted by bulletproof

Hi Diana
We are at last making progress and your numbers tied in nicely with the Gaydon historical records

Here is a reply from the UK by 58Paul who keeps the records and does research at the museum

<snip> Grenville Motors Ltd., Syndey For Pressed Metals Corp. Ltd., Sydney

Next time I'm at Gaydon I will double check the 1438's in the dispatch book there.

Cheers Richard

I wonder if LRFAQ is related to Juan-Antonio Samaranch

and the winner is... Sid en ee

Originally Posted by Seriestwo

I dont know my engine number but my landy's chassis number is 143800622 and it still has the 2L engine.

Have you checked to see if the engine number is still 141805081? I have a partial record as it was a part of a swap for hard tops with Regent Motors.

Originally Posted by sanderm2

Just about to purchase my first series 2 and it has E/N 141801949 and
C/N 143800300 .It is a 2ltr motor and looks to have been ex Army. Once I pick it up on Wednesday I'll post a picture.

We have no record of that vehicle in the NSW books, however the engine and chassis numbers are in the correct associations for it to be the original engine.

Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that the vehicle is ex-Army as the first command recon were all 1959 serial numbers with 2 1/4 litre engines and no records have yet been uncovered for any 1958 88" 1418 sequence (2 litre) engines.

Originally Posted by Rainer

Hi,

Well here comes a mistery My engine has number 141801188 and is a 2.25L engine. All ordered spare parts so far did fit without a problem.



and here a full image of it

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Reviewing the numbers on this post, the numbers appear raised, which would be an indication of a casting number and not a stamped engine number.

Is the number above the same as indicated by the red arrow?

The exhaust manifold is a much later possibly SIII manifold and the vehicle behind seems to actually be an SIII.

Hi,

Sorry to answer so late.

NO the numbers are not raised, just an optical ilusion from the image (that happens somtimes), you may believe me, they are stamped, and yes the number is stamped to where you are pointing with the red arrow (difficult to see that red arrow )

About the exhaust manifold I exchanged it 8-9 years ago as the one it had had a crack as well as the inlet manifold. Got the spares in Germany complete with a new Gearbox, springs, etc.

Here http://www.astroforo.net/LandRover19...Factura001.pdf you can see the invoice travelling with this vehicle. If you make a search it will reveal Year 1961 LHD and CKD shipped to Mexico. As I said, Big Mistery

Yes, that vehicle is a Bastard as it has a Museum of different parts due to the difficulty of getting spare parts to Mexico. So the PO's did not care to keep it original but more they cared about having it going

!

Next problem is already around the corner. This engine looks like it will not make much more time and now I am searching for a replacement