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    Exhaust question for TD5

    Hi Fellas,

    I know this has been covered and I have already searched the forums. But I wanted some facts.


    I have been toying with the idea to remove the centre muffler on my 2004 TD5 Disco. I wanted to know the following.

    Will there be any risk involved with higher EGT's? Will the exhaust cause this?

    Will it drone at all?

    What sort of benefits have others experience with it? And really is it worthwhile?

    Has anyone got any youtube clips of the sound difference?

    Thanks in advance, Kane

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    Quote Originally Posted by KFACTA View Post
    Hi Fellas,

    I know this has been covered and I have already searched the forums. But I wanted some facts.


    I have been toying with the idea to remove the centre muffler on my 2004 TD5 Disco. I wanted to know the following.

    Will there be any risk involved with higher EGT's? Will the exhaust cause this?

    EGT will be lower becuase the exhuast flows better, your Vechile will have a Cat so there is little point in removing the muffler unless you remove the cat aswell,
    You can use a dump pipe from an early td5 or just cut it out at the same time as the muffler.

    Will it drone at all?
    A little under load, but not on the highway


    What sort of benefits have others experience with it? And really is it worthwhile?
    Lower EGT, faster turbo spool up, more power, Nice sound (will need to remove the cat aswel for these results)

    Has anyone got any youtube clips of the sound difference?
    I'd say so have search

    Thanks in advance, Kane
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    Quote Originally Posted by KFACTA View Post
    I have been toying with the idea to remove the centre muffler on my 2004 TD5 Disco.
    Do it, and remove the cat as well if you haven't done so yet!

    Your EGTs will come down, your turbo will spool up quicker and small children will run away scared when you put foot

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    I took mine out, it sounded cool on the outside, noisy on the inside, then I put it back in again. The power change is marginal as the exhaust is already a good size. The restriction is in the flex, not the mufflers.
    Cheers
    Slunnie


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    yes I removed mine and replaced it with 2 1/2" staino sports muffler and also removed the resonator. its hardly noticeable inside the car unless all windows are down, there was a definite performance increase, and outside under power it sounds quite nice, a deep throaty kind of sound but not loud.

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    Annoyingly noisy inside, very bad when towing, no performance or economy increase but sounds good outside

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    Not sure where everyone's getting their facts for lower EGT's.... Removing the muffler won't drop your combustion temps I'm afraid.

    It does drone under load, sounds good but its starting to do my head in a bit but that's probably due to it being an auto and having different rev characteristics.
    I'm going for a straight thru resonator type muffler to remove the drone and pulling the rear resonator out instead.

    In a manual it's quite different however and a lot better.

    Andrew


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOVEMYRANGIE View Post
    Not sure where everyone's getting their facts for lower EGT's.... Removing the muffler won't drop your combustion temps I'm afraid.

    The exhaust system is designed to remove exhaust gases from the exhaust manifold. This is where most EGT sensors are fitted. The quicker you remove those gases, the cooler the manifold will be.

    By removing the Cat and middle silencer box, you are basically free-flowing the exhaust. The exhaust gases can escape faster, and the manifold is cooler.

    If you fit an EGT monitor before and after cat/silencer removal you will see the difference - I did on my previous D2 Td5.

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    The EGTs are an indicator for what's going on inside the engine during the combustion process and are a function of fuel/ air ratio and inlet air temps, not exhaust flow.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOVEMYRANGIE View Post
    Not sure where everyone's getting their facts for lower EGT's.... Removing the muffler won't drop your combustion temps I'm afraid.
    Freer flowing the exhaust system causing the exhaust gases to flow away faster should lower the EGT. On the Disco TD5 removing the cat converter has resulted in lower EGT's for a few members.

    Quote Originally Posted by strangy View Post
    The EGTs are an indicator for what's going on inside the engine during the combustion process and are a function of fuel/ air ratio and inlet air temps, not exhaust flow.
    True only to a point. if the exhaust gases are sitting there not flowing out, then there's additional heat up there. Having the exhaust gases flowing away quicker will reduce the EGT's (however, they can only reduce them so much). Try it for yourself - disconnect your exhaust system and watch the drop.


    On my TD5 I have the factory 2.5" exhaust system with all the factory components removed. Where the cat is is a 300mm long 3.5" hot dog, then a Lukey straight through muffler in the middle with a 380mm 3.5" hot dog in the ass end. Without the middle Lukey muffler it was far too noisey and horribly dronney. With the muffler added it's perfect volume level, can't notice it over the engine noise (from the drivers seat at least).

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