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Thread: 2010 2.4l 110 Puma Deefa:Front Diff Gone Bang in the Night

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    2010 2.4l 110 Puma Deefa:Front Diff Gone Bang in the Night

    I started a bit of a conversation last night but the thread was really in the wrong section....

    Long and short: 2010 110 2.4L Puma. 110k Km on clock. Owned 2 months. Never abused by me or previous owner. A couple of short introductory 4wd trips by me including a couple of hours rock ledge hopping a few weeks ago. A few minor front wheel lifts but nothing savage at all. I applied a BAS remap on Saturday morning. (Wow - what a difference that has made but I don't think it broke the diff.... ).

    Sat evening son (110_pete) was puling out away from traffic lights and felt a large bang from front diff. Drove home <1km.

    Today we stripped the diff down. Here is what we found:








    Not a pretty picture! I can't believe Land Rover hasn't been class action sued over these rubbish 2pin diffs. Everyone knows they have a high fail rate! They're rubbish!

    Now - the rest of the diff looks fine - crownwheel and pinion look good.

    I'm wondering:
    1. I really can't justify an air locker as I don't do enough serious off road 4wding.
    2. Does anyone have experience with Ashcroft ATB or Detroit trutrack? Postive and negative?

    3. I'm going to drop the diff off to our local transmission bloke so he can fit the new bits that are required. (I'm leaning towards the Ashcroft ATB at the moment). Is there anything else that needs to be renewed at the same time? (Is in fact fitting of the Ashcroft ATB onto the crown wheel etc a job a home mechanic can do??)

    4. Do you think lifting a front wheel, or scrambling up a scree slope and then having the ABS - TC come into play puts too much stress on the diff?

    5. When I get the money I'll consider putting an ashcroft diff in the rear as well. Probably an AT.

    6. Land Rover!!
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    The Ashcroft ATB should fix that problem. I've used truetrac's in the past for that same reason. The only issue I found was getting your tyre pressures right to equalise the tyre diameters - if there is a slight difference in tyre diameter, left to right, the vehicle will want to wander to the side with the smaller tyre.

    It is usually not so much a strength issue with the two pinion centre, but more that the hole for the cross pin wears and the cross pin works it's way out until it jambs, or breaks. Yes they suck and Land Rover have hardly ever built a strong drive line in all of their 65 years.

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    I have read that the life expectancy of a Rover diff with traction control is in minutes not hours.
    I went the ATB for this very reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    I have read that the life expectancy of a Rover diff with traction control is in minutes not hours.
    I went the ATB for this very reason
    Yes I read that bit about traction control last night as well.... Is it just a matter of bolting on the new Ashcroft atb? Is it a specialist job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    I have read that the life expectancy of a Rover diff with traction control is in minutes not hours.
    I went the ATB for this very reason
    That is the Ashcroft sales pitch. If they were that delicate in practice the diffs would be a service item on D2's.

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    Paul this is nothing to do with Ashcrofts and they never claimed this in any way.
    The information I quoted is what I read on a forum, I don't think you can doubt the weakness of the 2 Pinion Rover Diff.
    The Leyland Brothers had the same problem in the wheels across the wilderness adventure in 1966.
    I dont think 29dinosaur will argue either as he has the photos to prove it.

    That said when I removed mine it didnt seem too bad and it had done 170 K with TC

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29dinosaur View Post
    Yes I read that bit about traction control last night as well.... Is it just a matter of bolting on the new Ashcroft atb? Is it a specialist job?
    If you just get the ATB, you'll need to set the crown and pinion lash - can be done at home but its not an 'easy' job.


    If you go a full replacement third member, it's just a basic replacement of a non-broken version of the bit(s) you have already removed.


    I'll try and put up a pic of mine tonight. Out of interest - is there a gasket under the dif centre, or is it just silastic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djam1 View Post
    Paul this is nothing to do with Ashcrofts and they never claimed this in any way.
    The information I quoted is what I read on a forum, I don't think you can doubt the weakness of the 2 Pinion Rover Diff.
    The Leyland Brothers had the same problem in the wheels across the wilderness adventure in 1966.
    I dont think 29dinosaur will argue either as he has the photos to prove it.

    That said when I removed mine it didnt seem too bad and it had done 170 K with TC
    You're right not Ashcroft. But it is a US based vendor of the ATB diffs who claims 30 minutes to an hour life out of the rover diffs with traction control. I take that kind of opinion with a large serving of salt.

    I've seen video of the Moab(?) rock crawling those Utah guys get up to, and I wouldn't be surprised if you could kill a diff in an hour if you subjected it to an hour of continuous battering in those circumstances.

    To me that is pretty extreme usage, and I find it a bit difficult to use that as a benchmark for life expectancy if the diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n plus one View Post
    I'll try and put up a pic of mine tonight. Out of interest - is there a gasket under the dif centre, or is it just silastic?
    Just the silastic goo....
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    Ummm thinks the story about TC and diffs is a fairy tale.

    My 99 D2 before Bilstein used to start TCing on Centre and "up top" corrugations early pm with cooked shockies, and run that way all arvo at 80kph and over + 13 yrs of plenty of off road with locked centre diff and TC going mad............all on the D2 that BMW stated must not use CDL cos you'd destroy the xmission diffs and every other mechanical thing under the vehicle

    I'd be looking for some other reason!.........or install 99 D2 diffs

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