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Thread: BMW engine in Freelanders?

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    timM Guest

    BMW engine in Freelanders?

    Hi, Just wondering in what year did the freelander get the BMW engine, would a 2001 TD4 have it? do all TD4 have it?

    thanks
    tim

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    mr_b_r_johnstone Guest
    The Freelanderrun the following engines:
    Petrol -
    1800cc 4 Cyl K Series
    2500cc 6 Cyl K Series
    Diesel -
    2000cc 4 Cyl L Series
    All these engines are manufatured by MG Rover/Powertrain in England.
    The K Series is a Rover design. The L Series was originally a BMW design but has been changed quie alot bt Rover.
    Rover became insolvent recently and most manufacturing has stopped. They supplied Land Rover with quite a number of engines to keep them going temporarily. Land Rover also stock piled quite a few over a number of years. New engines will be fitted very shortly or perhaps they will try and introduce the new model earlier.

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    mr_b_r_johnstone Guest
    2001 TD4 will have the L Series.

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    timM Guest
    thanks for that.

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    Originally posted by mr_b_r_johnstone
    2001 TD4 will have the L Series.
    "L" series & TD4 are different engines.
    The "L" series was the original diesel in the Freelander, the TD4 is the BMW engine in later Freelanders. Both 2 litres.
    Scott

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    I am from Rover car circles more so than Land Rover, but I think you will find they are the same engine with detail changes that Rover did. And I know this engine was quite often referred to as the L - Series until production ceased.

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    What Scouse said is right. The first Diesel engine that was used in the freelander was a TDi engine, the later engine is the TD4, which BMW intorduced as a new engine program, they developed 3 engines, each one increased in size by 500ml with the addition of one cylinder, ie the TD4 in the Freelander, the TD5 in Defender and previously the Disco, and the TD6 in the Range Rover. These engines were introduced as part of a master plan when BWM owned Land Rover, the engines are excellent, but the program will never see the full distance because Ford is phasing out anything tied to the BMW days. Matt
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    Hi Guys,

    I agree that the original Freelander diesel was a different engine to the later Td4. However I must disagree that any of them are BMW engines.

    AFAIK (and I've read this in one of the Pommy LR mags - but can't remember which one and when), the Td4/5/6 series of engines were well down the design path and almost ready for production when BMW bought LR.

    It's a real shame that this series of brilliant engines has been scrapped by Ford. I'd much prefer that the new Discos (and forthconing new Defender - if it ever happens??) were still powered by developed versions of these last real LR developed engines rather than the 'Ford global' "accountants" engine, the TDV6.

    [V6: a compact cube of power that can be slotted into just about any size and shape of vehicle, either longitudinally or transversely, but which inherently has poor access, is inherently difficult to work on, is inherently unbalanced (unless fitted with expensive, complex and power-sapping balance shafts) BUT is beloved of motor company accountants because it is so easy to use on the assembly line.]

    And if anyone wants to have 'full & frank' discussion on the issue, I'll happily chat about the inherent perfect primary balance of 90 degree V-twins, V4s and V8s and the near perfect primary and dynamic balance of the straight six (God's own engine configuration) - and the fact that there's no inherently balanced V6 configuration, especially with V-angles of less than 90 degrees, as most of them are.
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    L series diesel is a single OHC (2 valve head) Direct Injection electronic diesel of 1994 cc. It is from the Rover family of engines and was fitted to the Di and XEDi in 98/99 and maybe early 00.

    The TD4 is a double OHC engine (4 valve head) Commonrail direct injection and is 1951cc. The TD4 is a BMW engine that owes nothing to Rover.

    All TD4s have the the BMW engine and gearbox fitted.

    The TD4 is related to the TD6 (BMW) but the TD5 is a close relative to the L series and not the BMW engines.

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    The Freelander was launched in Europe in 1997 with the L Series engine, wether or not Land Rover badged it that is another story.
    The L Series was a development of the "Prima" engine first found in Rover passenger cars of the 80's. It is not a BMW design as stated above, I said it to, but was significantly upgraded when BMW bought the Rover group in 1994. The engine that Land Rover badged as the TD4 is still the L Series.

    1951cc to be exact with a bore of 84.0mm and a stroke of 88.0mm.
    Why would Land Rover build two engines of the EXACT same capacity, that put out almost the same horsepower!

    The L Series is not related to the diesels in other Landrover products as far as I know and proof of this fact to start with is that the L Series was mounted transversley and the others had there engine longitudinal.

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