Thread: Not noisy lifters, then what?

Originally Posted by tony

Hi all

I would have thought if it was a liner even blind freddy would have picked up on that when the motor was apart.....but if it was / is a cap in a rocker that is much harder to detect and you have to realy be looking for it, its not hard to pull the rocker cover off a V8 and then pull the rocker arm out and have a very good look at the caps, Should only take an afternoon to have it off clean inspect and back on again

T

Yep, I really hope you're right, and that the liner damage would be obvious. I quizzed the mech who did the work and he did seem emphatic about the state of the liners, but so then was he about the rockers.

I'm going to get started on the rockers this arvo. It looks like a simple job of removing the Thor inlet manifold top half, plus quite a few fiddly bits and pieces with what look like cold start piping, a few connectors and a few brackets etc before the rockers cvrs then rocker arms unbolt. BTW, anyone do this before and can I work around the aircon compressor and lines? They look pretty close to the left rocker cvr but I'm thinking (hoping) the air con system doesn't need meddling with (cos that seems way beyond my league).

As for the previous post about how much trans fluid, it was nearly a full sump of the stuff circulating in there. I though that was too much but it doesn't seem to have done it any harm and the oil is still really clean on the dipstick, unusual (mind you I've changed the oil about 3 times in 3000km chasing this problem so it could be that too!)

for noisy lifters.....about 200 to 500 mls of auto oil in the sump oil and go for a drive before the oil change......
auto oil will clean out the gunk and allow the lifters to do their job......


if you are selling a car with noisy lifters......then leave the auto oil in there.....

Originally Posted by DEFENDERZOOK

how much transmission fluid did you put in the engine.....?

I didn't, the mechanic did . Heaps, apparently - he drained the oil, refilled with trans fluid ran it till hot, drained then filled with HPR 30.

BTW, at the lights today next to a S1 V8 Disco. I could hear slight ticking of lifters but DEFINITELY much quietter than my old rattler SII.

Originally Posted by 4X4V8

I didn't, the mechanic did . Heaps, apparently - he drained the oil, refilled with trans fluid ran it till hot, drained then filled with HPR 30.

BTW, at the lights today next to a S1 V8 Disco. I could hear slight ticking of ifters but DEFINITELY much quietter than my old rattler SII.

He did what now???


bill him for a new engine.... (or at least a rebuild of the bottom end and a rehone)

you add a little bit to old engine oil while warm and run the engine under no load at just over idle for about 10 minutes.... (100m (ish) per 1l engine oil) the addatives in the ATF will degunk the lifters and their galleries prior to servicing.

if the noise is till there its time to eyeball the rocker arms beaings and springs.
Give the valve stems a bit of a wiggle (use a very small plastick knockometer very gently) while the rocker gear is off.

If its like engine H6v003 (holden straight 6 you will have a little bit of damage to the arm and rod and its just those bits hammering

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

He did what now???


bill him for a new engine.... (or at least a rebuild of the bottom end and a rehone)

you add a little bit to old engine oil while warm and run the engine under no load at just over idle for about 10 minutes.... (100m (ish) per 1l engine oil) the addatives in the ATF will degunk the lifters and their galleries prior to servicing.

Yeah well, what can I do? I said add a litre, he heard fill it up with the stuff. So I'll leave that to the Gods to decide if I have a blown up engine. For that last 300km since then though, it's been working fine. Except for that rattly noise it's always had...

I nearly got to the rockers tonight, bit was stymied by the simplist, stupid thing... got the upper manifold off no sweat but the 8mm bolts on the rocker covers have those multi-sided heads (I forget what they're called, 12-point heads or something) and my 1/2 drive socket set won't fit to take 'em off, and closed end spanners don't have enough bend on 'em. So off the the hardware tomorrow to find a suitable tool to extricate.

do you mean torx sockets

is that the name your chassing

nope, he means a 12point bolt.. think 2 standard hex nuts off set half a face then magically merged together and your on the right track...

from memory there are some size/access issuses but almost any 3/8 / 1/4 inch socket set should get you out of trouble.

I have an 03 4lt Disco with what sounds like just one tappet ticking at arount 3 taps per second at idle. I have had the heads done and new lifters fitted but the sound still exists. Everything else is perfect now (after much work) on it except this annoying ticking sound which makes the thing sound more tired than it is (it only has 60k on it).
Any news of a fix would be great and I will have a look at the exhaust manifolds tonight.....