Thread: Td5 - Turbo charger - DETERIORATED!

i think it will be a one off! cross fingers...

what other damage did it do to the motor?
there would be a bit i reckon.
there are problems with the D3 varibale vane KKK turbos. but none for the garrett on the td5.

cheers phil

My mate Wayne (doesn't post on here, some of you have met him) has a 01 Defender that this happened to with around about 2500 to 3000 kms on it. He bought it new.

Replaced the motor under warranty.

Been going great ever since as far as I know.

Discowhite, i was told that it was unlikely that it damaged the engine. This is VERY hard to believe as i watched and listenened to it rev full bore for almost 10 minutes (yep, all because i didn't know to stall it: ) with smoke, smoke, smoke, EVERYWHERE!!!!!.

After TOTALLY stressing out that further engine damage had happened in an email to the salesman in Newcastle that i bought it off, I was told the following from the Artarmon service manager -

"Dielsels can run on 2 things - 1. diesel, 2. oil and air."

He explained that as the turbo was out of action, oil and air was being pushed into the engine....."as long as there is oil and air there will be no damage".

He said that i had lots of oil still left in the engine so it was unlikely that the engine was damaged. Had the oil run out, my engine would have been in trouble, he said.

On advice from a friend I requested a pressure test (well, the test that tests the head', I think). Anyway, the service manager told me that this would not be covered by warranty - OK with me - and then he went to great lengths to explain that a pressure test would not show any damage or something like that .....it was all getting too much. I agreed with him (regretting it now) and didn't get a pressure test done.

You see, I was worried, because I am a girl (in my mid 20's) i thought i would be given pretty slack service because they would be aware i would havwe not known any better.....i'm jealous of the guy who got his whole engine replaced. Hope mine is OK. If anything goes wrong in the future (engine damage from turbo incident) i wonder if i would be have a leg to stand on - bet NOT!

I haven't had any problems (that i have noticed) since the turbo was replaced. My exhaust pipe is just heaps blacker inside that it's meant to be by this age.

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Last week when i got my 1 year service again at Artarmon they said a Disco or a Rangie (not sure) had had the same thing happen to it and that the owner was not happy at all - WELL OFCOURSE THE OWNER WAS NOT HAPPY - this stuff shouldn't be happening to brand new cars.

Originally Posted by D110V8D

Replaced the motor under warranty.

Good on him!
That's what i kind of expected/hoped they would do for me........BUT NO!

In hindsight, i should have pushed the point further......perhaps started a blog.....

Thanks D110V8D for leeting me know about your mates turbo trouble. Do you know what the situation was - Did it rev out for ages, or did they stop the engine soon after the turbo blew? Did your mate have to fight LR for the engine to be replaced....or did they throw him a new one....hmmm i wonder?

ok whats happened is a shaft failuer, not entirely uncommon in turbos but not to be expected this early in life.

he engine has run away as it was burning its own oil via this process..

the oil was being pumped by the normal lubrication system into the turbo and is normally returned to the engine via its drain after lubing the bearings...

as the shaft has failed the seals dont work so oil is pumped out the seals...

the stuff going into the inlet (compressor) side of the turbo gets drawn into the engine and burns in place of the normal diesel.

it doesnt burn nearly as well so exits blue (trying to spin the turbo as it goes) and this is not helped if the turbo isnt working as it wont be raising the manifold pressure to get the right amount of air in..

This is what has saved your engine. If you had only suffered a seal failure on the inlet side the turbo would still be running making boost and forcing more air in making the oil burn better and exit the engine under more pressure turning the turbo harder forcing more oil/air into the engine... repeat untill your engine detonates.

MY standard emergancy procedure when this happens is to open the hood, yank the intake pipe of the air box (after the filter) and put my hand over it or if you have small hands use a floor mat.. from the second you realise that your engine is starting to run away you have about 30 seconds to do something about it...

as for their being no damage... ID want to see the ECU read out for max rpms achieved (may not have been recorded with the ignition off) before making a concrete statement and in lieu of that Id be wanting the head removed and inspected as a minimum the oil leaves lots of carbon and residue as it burns you may have some damage that wont show up untill after the warrenty expires Your intercooler will have oil residue in it as well.

They may be right and there may be no further issues but Id tip that they havent done the full 9 yards on it.


Oh welcome to the site BTW..

You should see the mess a Cummins Signature 16 litre makes when the turbo lets go. They blow all the contents of the sump, about 40 litres, out the 5" stack all over your van or tarps, plus assorted metal bits that have decided not to stay inside. Cummins seem to have solved this (and other) problems that had Australian owners wondering whether development was being done up the dotted white line.

Originally Posted by cornerofthegalaxy

Good on him!
That's what i kind of expected/hoped they would do for me........BUT NO!

In hindsight, i should have pushed the point further......perhaps started a blog.....

Thanks D110V8D for leeting me know about your mates turbo trouble. Do you know what the situation was - Did it rev out for ages, or did they stop the engine soon after the turbo blew? Did your mate have to fight LR for the engine to be replaced....or did they throw him a new one....hmmm i wonder?

I don't remember him saying he had to fight for it to be replaced. It was 6 years ago though and a few beers have been had since then let me tell you.

I know that he was out whoop whoop somewhere NSW (lives in Vic) when it let go. LR assist was all good about it. Payed for everything. Took the car back to Sydney for repair (engine replacement). He was given a hire car to get home with. A BLOODY SSANG YONG MUSSO of all things!! And they said don't take it offroad! Yeah righto, no worries.

He thrashed it!

They had the car for a couple weeks if I remember correctly.

I'll ask him again so I don't get the story completely wrong.

Stick it up them Carlie, if you arent happy with it, have them take the head off at least and inspect the inside of the engine to see if the bores have been damages. Failing that when you get it back take it to someone else to have its compression tested, then compare those figures with the stated manufacture ones and if it is at all less (which it shouldnt be after so few km's) take it back and have them do something.

What you risk having happen is that it will run fine for a while but any underlying damage may cause problems in the future. Get is sorted now whilst you dont have to pay for it, a diesel engine run flat stick at full revs for 10mins will have done some damage. Matt