Thread: Which Landie

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

There are designe elements in the TD5 that have evolved out of the tdi engines and have links back to the vintage 2.25.. And no I dont mean they both run diesel and have pistions....


the TD5 is a landrover engine with BMW flavouring... A nice compromise engine between something that will pull a tractor and go like a race car if needed...

(but I still want the torque curve down lower and made fatter)

I'm not sure where you get the BMW flavour - the TD5 development was virtually complete by the time BMW became involved - any similarity to BMW is because the Discovery is aimed at more or less the same market as BMW.

I am not familiar enough with the Td5 to see any links back to the 2.25, but would be interested to hear what they are.

John

John

Originally Posted by EchiDna

wanna buy a 4BD1T county? 20k and it's yours!!

(actually probably not, too attached to it myself)

.... and it would be too hard to find another one to replace it!

John

Originally Posted by JDNSW

.... and it would be too hard to find another one to replace it!

John

true!

while being a 110/defender aficionado is a select subset of being a landrover owner... I get the distinct impression that isuzu county owners are an even more select group with an even more refined taste

Originally Posted by JDNSW

I'm not sure where you get the BMW flavour - the TD5 development was virtually complete by the time BMW became involved - any similarity to BMW is because the Discovery is aimed at more or less the same market as BMW.

I am not familiar enough with the Td5 to see any links back to the 2.25, but would be interested to hear what they are.

John

John

BMW stuck their hands into the mapping and aux electronics of the engine...
which is why a deefer has some extra modules in it you dont actually need and can activate by simple program changes.

if you take a 2.25 from a series and lay out the crank thats the same as the tdi200 or near enough if you account for scaling, the initial block set up inso far as internal webbing and laddering is the same style of setup as the 2.25. Now it might seem to be a case of if it aint broke dont fix it bu in reality theres only so many ways that you can layout the block, crank and laddering of a 4 pot.

the changes start at the TDI300 mark and theres lots of them but (insofar as this post is concerend are changes to the front and rear main seal setups) the foundation of the engine didnt change all that much.

the TD5 has a similar bottom end setup but its got an extra cylinder on it and the foundation of the block is not too different in evolution to the 2.25.

Think of it this way... (and assume darwin got it right and i hope i get the human evolution right here)
the 2.25 was the cromagnum man, not much removed from the apes. and over the years you evolve it up to just below where we are now with the TD5 being a couple of steps below where we are now as humans..

And before you ask why i dont rate The TD5 at the top of the evolutionary scale its simple its not as evolved as it could be. Theres a whole spate of near new technologies enginewise that could be added in to make it an even better engine. If theres interest I'll put it up as a seperat thread.

Originally Posted by rar110

a 120 V8 ute

No such beast - 120's only came with a 4BD1.

What you suggest would be a great truck though - I have been thinking of doing the same myself. Getting a 120 chassis and a 130 roof and building a 120" dualcab using my county as a parts donor.

G’day All,
Thank you for your input; a 110 is looking to be the way ahead, unless I can find a Rangie that can match the requirements listed below.

To answer some of the questions:
I’m in Far North QLD, however for the right vehicle I’m happy to jump on an aircraft to Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane. After all, it only costs a few hundred for the flight and $50 per day for a hire car and on that note, I’ll be in Sydney at the end of next week, so I’ll be looking hard there.
A 4BD1T County has been mentioned, however at that age there’s a lot of ware and tear to consider and the lesser power and torque to that of the Tdi’s. Unless there is something I don’t know. What are the advantages????

Vehicle requirements (how it’s archived is relative to the initial out lay):

1. Manufacturer - Land Rover (I know no other).
2. Coil suspension (Once you’ve tasted it you cannot go back to leaf)
3. 4 cylinder is preferred (QLD registration is base on the # of cylinders, 1 hour and 10years behind the rest of the planet)
4. Minimum 3 Seats
5. Transmission - any, well each have their advantages and disadvantages, I can adjust.
6. No rust (another dream), I’m not good at welding.

Vehicle uses:
Tow boat, camping, commuting when it’s raining and general yard work.

Vehicle issues that I’m willing to deal with, depending on initial out lay:
Electronics - I’m good with, If I end up with a OBD-II compliant vehicle I’ll buy a scanner
Mechanical, well Tim @ Land Rovers Only can sort anything out, as he says “It’s only money”.

Regards

Originally Posted by Mykeeta

A 4BD1T County has been mentioned, however at that age there’s a lot of ware and tear to consider and the lesser power and torque to that of the Tdi’s. Unless there is something I don’t know. What are the advantages????

when did that happen....... I'll take the isuzu over a Tdi any day, ok theyre a bit noisier, and not quite as effecient but if you get one, after all the clicks the blokes whove had it before you have put on it all you throw at it I'll buy the engine from you sight unseen so long as you havent hyrdauliced it or had it throw a leg. They're that good. Get one set up properly as a turbo engine And I'll buy that one from you even if you do hydraulic it. The running gear that goes behind the suzi is tough as nails, it will deal with more abuse than your likely to concieve being able to throw at it.

Vehicle requirements (how it’s archived is relative to the initial out lay):

1. Manufacturer - Land Rover (I know no other).
2. Coil suspension (Once you’ve tasted it you cannot go back to leaf)
3. 4 cylinder is preferred (QLD registration is base on the # of cylinders, 1 hour and 10years behind the rest of the planet)
4. Minimum 3 Seats
5. Transmission - any, well each have their advantages and disadvantages, I can adjust.
6. No rust (another dream), I’m not good at welding.

Vehicle uses:
Tow boat, camping, commuting when it’s raining and general yard work.

Vehicle issues that I’m willing to deal with, depending on initial out lay:
Electronics - I’m good with, If I end up with a OBD-II compliant vehicle I’ll buy a scanner
Mechanical, well Tim @ Land Rovers Only can sort anything out, as he says “It’s only money”.

from what your wanting to do with it Id say you want a late county/early deefer with the suzi... some strategic use of sound insulation and locktite to keep the rattles under control, a couple of comfy seats for the front and your set.


Regards

G'day rar110,
How hard was it to convert your Perentie to a 4Door? I may be able to purchace an ex Salvo 2door hard top Perentie, expencive but may be worth the effort.

Regards