Where to put a winch

mcrover · 28th July 2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tank

There is a Portable electric winch available on the market, it sits in a cradle and you carry it to which ever end you need it hook it up to a recovery point and away you go, I would imagine it would have a hefty power supply cable, seen'em advertised somewhere, probably a 4WD magazine, Regards Frank.

They are a good Idea though you need to be a man mountain to carry one or have a couple of normal sized people to carry it.

They can be pluged in with anderson plugs or I have seen a Hydraulic one run off a 2 stroke engine which was built specifically for difficult recoveries, was on a trolley and is worked great.

There is a Landy (pretty sure it's a Hybrid)going around that I saw in a mag with a central mounted winch which worked both front and rear by running the cable out the rear first, through a snatch block and run up through the chassis or along the chassis and to the front.

If you wanted to do a rear recovery it was a double line pull and front was single.

Id just do what Clarkie has got, looks good and would work really well.

Im not much of a fan of Turfor winches as they are slow and can be dangerous as your standing next to the cable when your using it. They also take a lot of effort to use though they are cheaper than a powered winch and much more versatile as well as light so they deffinatly have their pluses.

Nobles have walking winches (like turfor) which are extemely good quality if you are having trouble finding one.

**disco2hse** · 28th July 2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by spudboy

Ummm - not much! Very slow and unless you are built like a lumberjack it is damn hard work. Good for a one off emergency use though I guess (i.e. better than nothing) and a very cheap option.

Even a proper Tirfor hand winch is hard work.

I guess that option could supplement another winch, say to stop the vehicle from rolling while recovering. I see your point.

So has anyone had experience with the hub capstan winches on here?

**DeeJay** · 28th July 2007, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by disco2hse

I guess that option could supplement another winch, say to stop the vehicle from rolling while recovering. I see your point.

So has anyone had experience with the hub capstan winches on here?

Do a search on this here, you might find the thread that explained thier shortcomings. I recall reading that the distributor attended a 4wd day out and demo'd it with it being a spectacular flop.

**camel_landy** · 29th July 2007, 04:54 AM

Hi-Lift as a winch does work but it is very, very, very, very slow & hard work. By the time you've taken up the slack & stretch in the line, you'll only be able to pull a couple of inches.

The main advantage of a Turfor is that it will work... No matter what! If you've bogged the car, the last thing you want to do is pull it further in (i.e. with a winch on the front). The Turfor will let you pull it out backwards as well as being able to pull even if you've got a knackered battery or even engine.

They also weigh a lot less.

M

**disco2hse** · 29th July 2007, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by DeeJay

Do a search on this here, you might find the thread that explained thier shortcomings. I recall reading that the distributor attended a 4wd day out and demo'd it with it being a spectacular flop.

First rule of doing demos in sales. Always make certain they are going to work! Plan it, practice it and don't do it in the wild.

I remember seeing similar things as a kid in the King Country (where it gets real muddy). Fairly common on tractors but usually took the form of big iron spikes sticking out fro the rim on the rear wheels.

Seems to me that if you were going to run those things from the rear wheels you'd want to fit fairleads at the front end, maybe on the outside edges of the bull bar/front bumper. Otherwise you run the risk of them pulling the rear end around from behind - you know the effects of gravity and slippery slopes, and all that.

**disco2hse** · 29th July 2007, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by camel_landy

The main advantage of a Turfor is that it will work... No matter what! If you've bogged the car, the last thing you want to do is pull it further in (i.e. with a winch on the front). The Turfor will let you pull it out backwards as well as being able to pull even if you've got a knackered battery or even engine.

They also weigh a lot less.

I am strongly coming around in favour of that one. OK I know electric winches are what everyone is getting these days, but I'm not going to be entering any tuff truck or winch challenges. So if I need a winch, it will be rare and hardly worth the expense of attaching all the bits. They do weigh a lot and add additional overheads to the truck's electrical or other systems.

**camel_landy** · 30th July 2007, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by disco2hse

I am strongly coming around in favour of that one. OK I know electric winches are what everyone is getting these days, but I'm not going to be entering any tuff truck or winch challenges. So if I need a winch, it will be rare and hardly worth the expense of attaching all the bits. They do weigh a lot and add additional overheads to the truck's electrical or other systems.

Good on yer...

FWIW - I only have a winch mounted on the truck as it's a Camel & that's what it came with. Even though I do a lot of off-roading, I hardly ever use the winch... I occasionally use it when out solo but if you're with someone else it's far quicker to just get a tow.

M

**chosen** · 30th July 2007, 08:41 PM

Turfor winch, yeah they are great! Use from every angle (potentially), always reliable and is a simple system BUT Gee Whiz I'm tired just thinking about using one ;-)

There are those situations where it is good to be able to operate/drive the car while winching you know... front mounted winch is mainly used for pulling forward (into the trouble and hopefully all the way through it), it is also good to slowly lower the vehicle down a crazy dangerous slope albeit in reverse.

They all require maintenance but, lets face it this is a Land Rover forum, we are used to maintenance!!! I think a REAR ELECTRIC WINCH is the best option if you, like me, get tired at even the thought of "Turforing" - hey I'm a pretty buff 25 year old, it is OK to admit you're there for recreation not for work.

chosen

**jimbo110** · 30th July 2007, 09:15 PM

When I picked up my series 1 last week I had to hand winch it on to the trailer. Ramps were 5 feet long and around 1 foot up to the deck, bloody near killed me

Huffing and puffing, bloody near pulled my arms out and had to stop for a rest 3 times. I'll stick to pushing the button on my electric winch thanks!

Just imagine trying to hand winch your truck 20 meters in thick mud up a hill, GOOD LUCK

**Tank** · 30th July 2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by jimbo110

When I picked up my series 1 last week I had to hand winch it on to the trailer. Ramps were 5 feet long and around 1 foot up to the deck, bloody near killed me

Huffing and puffing, bloody near pulled my arms out and had to stop for a rest 3 times. I'll stick to pushing the button on my electric winch thanks!

Just imagine trying to hand winch your truck 20 meters in thick mud up a hill, GOOD LUCK

Try a snatch block attached to the front recovery point, anchor your Tirfor to a tree (whatever), run your Tirfor cable down and through the snatch block and back to your tree (anchor point) and pull away, you will halve the load on the Tirfor (less the friction on the snatch block) and wont have to work so hard, the downside is that the truck will move 1/2 as fast as a straight pull, Regards Frank.

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