Where to put a winch

**camel_landy** · 30th July 2007, 10:45 PM

The Turfor is also much easier to use than that thing on the front of your trailer.

As for lowering down very steep slopes... That's getting into winch challenge teritory (Not what we're talking about here). Also, you should be doing that from the rear of the vehicle so you can still control the car while it's decending.

M

**disco2hse** · 31st July 2007, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by chosen

I think a REAR ELECTRIC WINCH is the best option if you, like me, get tired at even the thought of "Turforing" - hey I'm a pretty buff 25 year old, it is OK to admit you're there for recreation not for work.

Yeah, but where would it go? I haven't yet seen any plans or photos or rear mounted winches. I've looked at a couple centrally mounted ones, but that looked like some serious engineering to get it in and working. Not to mention the fairleads in various places.

**disco2hse** · 31st July 2007, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by jimbo110

When I picked up my series 1 last week I had to hand winch it on to the trailer. Ramps were 5 feet long and around 1 foot up to the deck, bloody near killed me

Huffing and puffing, bloody near pulled my arms out and had to stop for a rest 3 times. I'll stick to pushing the button on my electric winch thanks!

Just imagine trying to hand winch your truck 20 meters in thick mud up a hill, GOOD LUCK

1, 3 or more snatch blocks will reduce the load and required work

I trailer my boat which weighs about 2500kgs. Not a big deal winching that load on and it has no wheels

I use a snatch block with a 10:1/5:1 (it has 2 handles) step down hand winch.

In the time it would take to connect an electric winch and wind it in, I already have it done by hand. Oh, mid-40's -- work ain't no hard thang

**jimbo110** · 31st July 2007, 09:44 AM

It's horses for courses really. If you only drive easy tracks then you can might be able to get away with a turfor. Where we go (Reefton, west coast, south island) your turfor won't get you far.

this is the bottom (easy part) of the 200M climb, only the top 50M needs to be winched.

And even if you say you would never have to climb a track like that, there might be a day when you have no choice to because of a rising river etc. As I say, horses for courses, you may only do easy tracks and not need a winch at all. Also by the time you have bought a turfor, wire rope extensions and 3 snatch blocks you will have spent the same money and the weight will be the same too.

**disco2hse** · 31st July 2007, 09:59 AM

You guys in the S Is have it good. Most of our "public roads" have been closed off for access

Mostly we are limited to farm runs and a few over used tracks like Thompsons Track and Maratoto Loop.

**disco2hse** · 31st July 2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by jimbo110

by the time you have bought a turfor, wire rope extensions and 3 snatch blocks you will have spent the same money and the weight will be the same too.

Is $440 a good price for a Tirfor TU8 winch with 25m wire rope? I haven't looked at it yet, but it appears to be in fairly good nick.

**jimbo110** · 31st July 2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by disco2hse

Is $440 a good price for a Tirfor TU8 winch with 25m wire rope? I haven't looked at it yet, but it appears to be in fairly good nick.

1200 kg is a bit light for self recovery, you would be going through a few shear pins there. the 2.5 tonne model would be better. is the one your looking at the one at Mc Donald machinery, its a 2.5 T one for $440+GST

**camel_landy** · 1st August 2007, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by jimbo110

It's horses for courses really. If you only drive easy tracks then you can might be able to get away with a turfor. Where we go (Reefton, west coast, south island) your turfor won't get you far.

Disagree... Your Turfor will get you just as far. It will probably be slower but it'll still get you there...

Infact, for a track like that, it could be argued that a Turfor is a better option than a regular drum winch... A drum generally can't hold 50M of rope where as a Turfor will pull through any length of rope you care to run through it.

Originally Posted by jimbo110

Also by the time you have bought a turfor, wire rope extensions and 3 snatch blocks you will have spent the same money and the weight will be the same too.

Yes... But you can still only use the vehicle mounted winch in the one direction...

M

**DaveS3** · 1st August 2007, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by camel_landy

Disagree... Your Turfor will get you just as far. It will probably be slower but it'll still get you there...

Infact, for a track like that, it could be argued that a Turfor is a better option than a regular drum winch... A drum generally can't hold 50M of rope where as a Turfor will pull through any length of rope you care to run through it.

Yes... But you can still only use the vehicle mounted winch in the one direction...

M

Hence winch extension straps where invented - the equivalent 20m ones are about 1/10th of the weight of regular cable and 1/3rd of the size.

I know which one i'd prefer to drag up the hill

You also have to fit a greater amount of cable in the car, which can be no mean feat. That stuff when carried like it is in a tirfor takes up space.

Anyway, I'd prefer my electric on any day of course, but tirfors can be great for specific uses or backups (righting a rolled vehicle, lowering )

Dave.

MT · 1st August 2007, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by mcrover

Im not much of a fan of Turfor winches as they are slow and can be dangerous as your standing next to the cable when your using it. They also take a lot of effort to use though they are cheaper than a powered winch and much more versatile as well as light so they deffinatly have their pluses.

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Have used Tirfors for the last 20 years in the Army - recovery and on engineering tasks (we even use them to raise and lower bridges). Have never seen a tirfor cable snap - sheer pin goes first as it has rated SWL lower than the cable (of course, you knew that right?)

Of course, that is assuming that you keep the cable serviced and free of dirt and rust - incidentally, easier to do with a tirfor cable that you can keep clean far more easily than a cable wound around a drum on the front of your truck!

The other things about the tirfor are:

a. as long as you are alive and ambulatory it will work. Handy if your vehicle is rooted (ie submarine) and batteries have expired (elec winch ) or motor won't start (hydraulic winch).

b. you put it in the car when you are going somewhere that you will need it. The rest of the time it lives in the shed. You carry the other winches around in your vehicle 24 /7 - more weight / payload = more fuel used.

c. It is easier to service a tirfor - helped if nothing else by the fact that it does not go under water every time you ford a creek, unlike winches permanently mounted on your bull bar.

IMHO, unless you are going in a lot of 'extreme' competitions, the business case for elec or hydraulic does not add up.

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