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    Hot Long Range Fuel Tanks

    Hi Guys

    I was wondering..........
    My two long range tanks below the driver and passenger seats (Ser III 109)
    get pretty warm from the gearbox, exhaust and engine air flow and am sure that these tanks disappear quicker than the aft tank.
    Does hot fuel burn at less efficiency or would the fuel evaporate out the fuel cap breather. By feel the fuel is at about bath water (45'C) or above depending on the ambient of the day.
    Any thoughts or remedies?
    Thanks
    James
    Defender Kalahari 2006 (300 TDi)
    2008 Puma 110 - sold
    1973 Ser III 109" - sold

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    the hotter the fuel, the less dense it is and efficiency suffers.

    When I was a kid in short pants (talking circa 1979) Dad built some electronic fuel coolers using peltier modules, installed them in cars and put them on the dyno at I think Uni of NSW and the results were startling. Lower CO and I think NOx emissions, better fuel economy and a slight increase in power.

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    ......mmmmmmmmmm

    I suppose I should rather transfere the fuel aft than actually selecting the fwd tanks to the fuel suction. I will try setting up my electric pump as a transfere to the rear.
    Will have to make a drawing least I confuse myself and end up taking a swig of fuel instead of water.
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    James
    Defender Kalahari 2006 (300 TDi)
    2008 Puma 110 - sold
    1973 Ser III 109" - sold

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    Transferring fuel aft may be a good idea, but the effect of changes in temperature would be pretty small - although this depends on whether we are talking about petrol or diesel. Loss due to evaporation of petrol will increase quite rapidly at 45C - venting the front tanks into the rear one rather than the atmosphere could help - although it will have little effect on diesel.

    But I would review the venting arrangements and make sure that expansion due to the increase in temperature is not simply causing fuel to be lost.

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    A side affect of the heat is should water will not build up in a cold damp climate.

    In BMW motorcycles with low slung cylinders heat does not build up in the bottom of the fuel tank like it does in bikes with upright cylinders and they are more prone to contaminated fuel.

    In TD5 and similar engines the fuel recirculates and heat would build up as well, many EFI petrol engines do this, and aerate the fuel as well.

    Jeff


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    As a remedy you may want to fabricate some sort of heat deflector that helps protect the tanks from the exhaust heat. A couple of 'U' clamps and some prtective heat sheild ought to do the trick.
    I put a similar arrangement at the back of my 130 to protect the air tank from the exhaust muffler heat.

    Another alternaive might be to put some non-heat conductive lagging around the tanks but I think a heat deflector would be easiest and most effective.

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