Metal in oil

**CraigE** · 13th January 2008, 01:04 PM

Not good, did an oil change this morning and when emptying old oil into drum noticed some gritty filings like sand but maybe metal and a piece of shiny metal about 1/2cm x 1/2cm in the pan. Suspectig maybe bearing cap??

Not good anyway.Put it in the back shed this arvo and will have to pull off sump. Anyone seen anything similar that I need to look for??

**graceysdad** · 13th January 2008, 01:58 PM

Not sounding very promising mate, sounds like shes maybe spun a big end or getting close to it, best of luck with it hopefully not to nasty

**rick130** · 13th January 2008, 01:58 PM

was the drain pan really clean before starting the change ?

If so

**Blknight.aus** · 13th January 2008, 02:38 PM

if youve still got the filter disect it and then if thats loaded with metal particals drop the sump and inspect that + the strainer for the oil pump.

**Graz** · 13th January 2008, 03:06 PM

Craig
Not good news. As Dave stated crack the filter open and inspect for metal. If you don't have a filter cutter run a hacksaw cut around the side of the filter next to the seam. A magnet will help you identify what metal it is if any is found. Easier than taking the sump off.
If you don't find any metal suggest you fit a new filter and take it for a long run ( At least 10 hours ) then crack the filter and inspect again.
How many clicks has it done?
Regards

**LandyAndy** · 13th January 2008, 03:19 PM

Not good Craig!!!!!
Some time ago there was a post on extra bits found in a TD5 during an oil change.
May be worth a search,or somebody may recall the thread.
Goodluck
Andrew

**CraigE** · 13th January 2008, 03:29 PM

Have the sump off, no real metal or filings in the sump. Will split the filter and check as had just replaced it. No engine abnormal noise. Next will be the oil pump and stiffener plate so I can see if it has come from the main bearings or thrust washers. Hopefuly I can pick without having to remove the crank. I have not had the sump right off so may have been there for some time, only dropped the sump and replaced gasket (sat on diff). A tip, you do not have to remove the exhaust, just jack up the gearbox a little and the sump will come completely out.
Glad I found this anyway rather than it go bang miles from anywhere. I gather by checking the filter this may tel me if it is a problem or just a bit of crap left over. Oh well I get to check the oil pump bolt again.
Anyway back into it for a bit.

**CraigE** · 13th January 2008, 05:42 PM

Sump off, oil pump and stiffener plate off and can not see anything that even resembles where this may have come from. No indication of piece from bearing caps or bores. Looks a bit like hard facing but seems to curve the wrong way for bearings or bore liner. shiny side on curve out, dull side curved in, should be opposite in my experience of bearings.
There is a mark on one of the big end bearing caps, a green stroke, do not know what this means or if it means that bearing was replaced. At a bit of a loss as I would have thought a piece this big 3/4cm x 1/2cm now measured would leave some tell tale mark as to where it would have come from. I would have thought if it was a bearing it would have been in a lot smaller pieces as the gap it would have had to come out would have been tiny.
The engine is not making any strange noises or squeals. Is there anything like this in the timing gear asembly that may have self destructed??
Maybe next pull off bottom bearing caps to inspect one at a time.

**Graeme** · 13th January 2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Not good Craig!!!!!
Some time ago there was a post on extra bits found in a TD5 during an oil change.
May be worth a search,or somebody may recall the thread.
Goodluck
Andrew

Someone had a problem with a thrust washer/bearing.

**CraigE** · 13th January 2008, 07:20 PM

Thanks Graeme, had a look at that post, but does not look like a bearing. Just spoke to my bilaw who is a diesel meck and he reckons look at timing gear teeth. Has seen it hapen many times on Caterpillar diesels, so something else to look at. He would be suprised to see a piece end up in the sump that size from a bearing as normally the disnegrate or shred rather than chip. But has told me how to remove and replace bearings without having to remove the crankshaft, so will be checking them as a minimum and probablly replacing them as a matter of course.
With the description of the piece I found says it does not sound like a bearing shell.
Heres hoping.

Missus was suprised as I have taken it on the chin. I am overit as a mate says, we just have to do whatever is required.

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