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    Only ever owned landys Ed Guest

    Valves touching Pistons

    Hi all,
    I have finally pulled the head back off my td5 after replacing the head gasket and still having problems with pressurising the cooling system. Things that have been replaced are; radiator, thermostat, head gasket, head pressure checked and faced (all was ok). When we pulled the head the gasket didn't show any signs of failure. We noticed however that the valves on three of the cylinders have been touching the pistons. We have measured the piston protrusion which was 0.022 inches and the valve head standown is 0.25 inches, the head gasket is three holes, Attached is a photo showing that the valves have touched the piston. Does anyone know if the timing chain can move off the crank shaft sprocket with the timing cover on and the cylinder head off. Any help would be appreciated.
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    I have not pulled a TD5 apart but have pulled many other engines with timing chains and the answer is yes the chain can move of the sprocket. How is the fuel pump set up on the TD5, because if it dosen't need to be timed you could get away with it as long as the crank didn't move. motors with mechanical pumps you will have to remove the rest of the timing cover and redo it properly.

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    I think the chain could move off the pulley, but I would be suprised if it did without some sort of outside influence.

    Did the coloured links go back on the camshaft sprocket as they were when the head was removed?

    Good luck
    Pete

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    After looking at that picture, I'm not so sure...

    If it were timing, I'd expect to see it on ALL of the pistons.

    M

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    do these things stretch when over-reved?

    though again,, should be on all.
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    im with camel landy on this one, a timing issue should have all the valves touching all the pistons.

    run a straight line accross the head face and check its flat. i have seen alloy heads that have been machined with a bow in them from being clamped down the wrong way in the facing machine. so it could be possible that there has been .015'' machined off the front and back of the head and up to .060'' from the center. if this is the case your valve face to head face will be all over the show.

    cheers phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by discowhite View Post
    im with camel landy on this one, a timing issue should have all the valves touching all the pistons.

    i have seen alloy heads that have been machined with a bow in them
    Another is gudgen? pins being worn ... (Conrod to Piston) ... = piston being thrown (slapping) into the head

    Move / rock the crank left to right and see if you have piston slack

    Mike


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    Another is gudgen? pins being worn ... (Conrod to Piston) ... = piston being thrown (slapping) into the head

    Move / rock the crank left to right and see if you have piston slack

    Mike

    had a tdi 300 in the workshop wich showed n*2 and n*3 N*4 all had valve marks on pistons all were inlet valves (guess bad adjustment at one stage) but N*1 had the piston hitting the head marking things it should'nt. the cause was worn gudgen and bad wear in big end. strange only one showed signs of wear , maybe a cheap rebuild at one stage.
    But end of the day measure warpage on the head and block every one forgets the block. Gaskets can chafe the surfaces of blocks I see it alot on bigger Diesel motors

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    I don't think it could be the adjustment as the td5 has auto adjusting valves. Unless the auto adjusters are mot working correctly.

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    I don't know anything about this really but if you didn't notice the valves were hitting the pistons the first time you pulled the head off then the fact you can see it so obviously now suggests that it is something that has happened very recently. As opposed to wear in pins etc.

    So what did you touch the first time you changed the head gasket?

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