This is a Stage 1

**rijidij** · 13th April 2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by justinc

Good find Garry, 130 here we come

The trans is worth swapping over too, as long as you TR bearing convert it, and turbo it, and fit 33"s, a power steering pump( as the stage 1's didn't have the county set up with a PS pump in the timing cover.) and and and ...

JC

Can the gear driven PS pump be fitted to an engine that hasn't got one ? If so, what's involved.

**justinc** · 13th April 2009, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by garryseries3

[quote2 when 7 is open fully, and so on.=justinc;955228]Garry,

.4mm inlet and exhaust, prefferably warm. You adjust both valves for number 1 when 4 is rocking, 3 when 2 is rocking, 4 when 1 is rocking and 2 when 3 is rocking. OR the rule of '9'.
Starting at front of engine, number valves 1 through to 8.
adjust valve 1 when 8 is open fully

They won't be out by much is my guess, mine have been done 3 times in 500k+ and needed only minor adjustment. Unlike the Tdi which needs a look at every 10 to 20k

JC

Hey thanks for that just another question what is the best way to turn it over to set them. I have done petrol motors and have just taken out the plugs.
Garry[/QUOTE]

Well, wihout the giant socket for the crank nut, I would just stick it in 4th High and push the vehicle to adjust the valves

Make sure it is on flat ground though

JC

**justinc** · 13th April 2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by rijidij

Can the gear driven PS pump be fitted to an engine that hasn't got one ? If so, what's involved.

Murray,

Early 4bd1's require a timing case change I believe, but the later ones have a blanked off plate under the IP cover.

The other option is to just use a Toyota PS pump and fab brackets. Last one we did we used a 60 series pump and made the brackets, fitted it above the alt.

I prefer the timing case option myself, no belts etc to worry about.

JC

**rijidij** · 13th April 2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by garryseries3

spoke with CHT I am going to explore putting in a late model 380 really do want a 5 gear option. I think my 130 is a late model R380 so we will see.
Garry

Gaz,
Before you decide which way to go with the gearbox options, maybe you could take my County for a drive with your work trailer hooked on the back. I'm not trying to steer you away from a 5 speed, but at least you will get a real world idea of what the Isuzu/4 speed combo is like. I'm running 1:1.112 transfer gears, so it will pull a little better than standard Isuzu gearing, but I don't feel that it is over revving at highway speeds, i find it quite comfortable.
I towed this load of 'green' Redgum home from Bendigo today. In some ways I find my Isuzu 'feels' better to drive when it's pulling a good heavy load. I don't know what it is, but the engine just seems at it's best when worked hard. Obviously these engines were originally configured for hard work (mine came from a 7 tonne GVM truck) so it makes sense that they perform so well when you need it most.

Cheers, Murray

**rovercare** · 14th April 2009, 06:30 PM

I take it, that's the one Chris put you onto down the mornington penninsula?

**justinc** · 14th April 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by rijidij

Gaz,
Before you decide which way to go with the gearbox options, maybe you could take my County for a drive with your work trailer hooked on the back. I'm not trying to steer you away from a 5 speed, but at least you will get a real world idea of what the Isuzu/4 speed combo is like. I'm running 1:1.112 transfer gears, so it will pull a little better than standard Isuzu gearing, but I don't feel that it is over revving at highway speeds, i find it quite comfortable.
I towed this load of 'green' Redgum home from Bendigo today. In some ways I find my Isuzu 'feels' better to drive when it's pulling a good heavy load. I don't know what it is, but the engine just seems at it's best when worked hard. Obviously these engines were originally configured for hard work (mine came from a 7 tonne GVM truck) so it makes sense that they perform so well when you need it most.

Cheers, Murray

Bleeding heck Murray! I need a LT95 and bellhousing!!! What are you saying man!!!

Unfortunately I agree, spend the $$$ on a Taper roller set for the transfer case and you'll never look back...

JC

**garryseries3** · 14th April 2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by rovercare

I take it, that's the one Chris put you onto down the mornington penninsula?

Yes it was, Chris was great even came down picked me up at the ferry and we went a got it. I entised him with a slab and fuel costs, but even so was fantastic that he came along. Good panels and chassis the mice had chewed the loom to bits the owner had added several layers of wiring to it to get most things working. The motor does not fume or smoke is relatively quiet for a stage 1 so a good donor.

Kindest regards
Garry

**garryseries3** · 14th April 2009, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by justinc

Bleeding heck Murray! I need a LT95 and bellhousing!!! What are you saying man!!!

Unfortunately I agree, spend the $$$ on a Taper roller set for the transfer case and you'll never look back...

JC

Hey Justin
whats it cost to rebuild the LT95 and a tranfer case, yes you may not get it but you have 1st option. Third gear to me sounds noisy you know these boxes and what is generally required. Also do you have a timing case housing from a later motor that I can use to fit the steering pump with onto my early motor.

Garry

**rijidij** · 14th April 2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by justinc

Bleeding heck Murray! I need a LT95 and bellhousing!!! What are you saying man!!!

JC

Sorry Mate, when Garry takes my County for a drive, I'll de-tune it a bit so it disguises the awesome performance of my Turbo Motor

........this might steer him towards the need for a 5 speed and you will have your bell housing etc

**justinc** · 14th April 2009, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by garryseries3

Hey Justin
whats it cost to rebuild the LT95 and a tranfer case, yes you may not get it but you have 1st option. Third gear to me sounds noisy you know these boxes and what is generally required. Also do you have a timing case housing from a later motor that I can use to fit the steering pump with onto my early motor.

Garry

Hey Garry,

The rebuilding of an LT95 could be anywhere from $1000 to $4000.

. they are like a can of worms if you open one up and find that they have already been fidddled with

Having said THAT, they are super simple and utterly robust, it's just a problem if some fool has done the wrong thing messing with them before, or it has had enough abuse to require some gears etc, as good quality hard parts are Exxy nowadays.

I would still entertain the thought of a rebuild, but a noisy 3rd gear could be a minor issue, does the gearlever try to hop into neutral on the overrun in 3rd? Is there any noise in 1st and 2nd aswell?

Don't forget the requirement to fit a taper roller set in the transfer case, this alone is worth about $3k to buy all the parts for. There could be a chance of finding a secondhand one, but difficult. I would strongly suggest fitting a TR kit, as this is the only weak point in this transmission.

And the 4BD1T will find it

JC

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