Thread: 2017 Ford V8 Supercar?

At least if Ford ran that I'd be able to tell the difference between the brands - they all look the bloody same to me.

No idea what Holden are going to do - they aren't even going to have a V8 option in any of there Aussie delivered vehciles...

Just shows the actual format and the 'V8' bit is totally out of step with what is going on now. I haven't watched this form of racing since they all became the same car with different bodies - I mean, what's the point of having identical everything apart from engines? You can't get behind a brand any more, because they aren't actual dealer cars any more.

Complete waste of time now IMO.

Won't happen

Originally Posted by Homestar

At least if Ford ran that I'd be able to tell the difference between the brands - they all look the bloody same to me.

No idea what Holden are going to do - they aren't even going to have a V8 option in any of there Aussie delivered vehciles...

Just shows the actual format and the 'V8' bit is totally out of step with what is going on now. I haven't watched this form of racing since they all became the same car with different bodies - I mean, what's the point of having identical everything apart from engines? You can't get behind a brand any more, because they aren't actual dealer cars any more.

Complete waste of time now IMO.

They ain't called "V8" Supercars, any more, it's now simply "Supercars".....because beginning 2018, we'll have V6tt engines with V8s which will be interesting from the parity point of view.
It will be up to the Supercars brand to make the series competitive & interesting. Sponsorship is a BIG issue for many teams, except for DJR/Penske & Red Bull.
People have been knocking Supercars for ages just as they knocked Group A/C when they were "the rules", and of course just as they knock the Melbourne F1 GP!!. Me?..I just love it,..I know people involved, I love the TV telecasts,(which is the main focus now)....ya can see everything & sponsors get FAR more coverage via TV,....same as F1.....which is the main focus (TV) for sponsors.
Pickles.

PARITY......in my opinion that is everything that is wrong with the V8 Stoopidcars these days. Identical chassis, engines limited in HP so to a degree identical, aero kits modified to ensure equal performance so therefore identical.

Let them race!!

I realise that this category has a huge following as the racing is close and it is quite the specticle. I don`t like the parity side of it, I don`t like that they are allowed to bash into each other (part of the specticle) and I don`t like the overuse of pace cars to ensure when a team does get ahead that the field is brought back together so they can bash each other more.

Now, don`t get me started on F1...........

Originally Posted by Pickles2

They ain't called "V8" Supercars, any more, it's now simply "Supercars".....because beginning 2018, we'll have V6tt engines with V8s which will be interesting from the parity point of view.
It will be up to the Supercars brand to make the series competitive & interesting. Sponsorship is a BIG issue for many teams, except for DJR/Penske & Red Bull.
People have been knocking Supercars for ages just as they knocked Group A/C when they were "the rules", and of course just as they knock the Melbourne F1 GP!!. Me?..I just love it,..I know people involved, I love the TV telecasts,(which is the main focus now)....ya can see everything & sponsors get FAR more coverage via TV,....same as F1.....which is the main focus (TV) for sponsors.
Pickles.

But it's not even on FTA TV anymore is it? Just some BS highlights package, or has that been scrapped? Only 8% of Australians have Foxtel (and falling).

You're right there Gav, there is only 1 hour highlights on Ch 10, except for the Endurance Rounds, which includes Bathurst, which are telecast in their entireity,...which is the reason I got Foxtel, where the coverage is magnificent.
Initially I was refusing to go to Foxtel,.."Why should I pay for something that was previously free"? I said, so I resolved to watch the highlights on Ch 10, which after taking out the ads, ya'd be lucky to get half an hour of racing,...pathetic.
Anyway, I was advised by a good friend & team member, that I should get Foxtel,....it'll be far better than anything ya've seen before He said. So I enquired, adjusted my Telstra "Deal" which dropped by $25, then got the Sports package for $25,..result,..no increase in cost & I got installation & equipment free of charge,...a SENSATIONAL deal, and yes, for those like me that are right into it, it's worth every cent of $25.00 per month. Pit interviews, discussions with drivers, particularly after "incidents", tactics, team manager discussions, & top camera work, in & out of cars etc etc,...it's all good for us enthusiasts. I don't have Foxtel figures, but I'm aware that they're ok, otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
As a forum member has said, & I agree, I don't like the "biffing" (Brock & Moffat never did) & yes, I believe the safety car is "overused"!
Supercars cannot exist without sponsorship, and with the state of the manufacturing industry in Australia, sponsorship dollars are "tight", very tight. There are of course the big guys like Red Bull, who are into all types of sport around the World, but the biggest "shot in the arm" to the sport has been the inclusion of probably the most powerful motor sport identity in the world, and that is of course Roger Penske. Some of the minor teams are very good too, but like I said, I don't know how they do it in this climate, Brad Jones is a ripper, as Is "Jonno" Webb from Tekno, and then ya've got characters like Betty Klimenko, who's put in squillions! Quite honestly, I don't know how some of the guys sleep at night getting the funding, but they do (get the funding), so I admire them for that.
Ya just can't "let 'em race",...there has to be parity, otherwise the big, well funded teams will do more R & D, & they will develop better stuff, and lead the smaller teams, who don't have the same dollars behind them.
I know some people don't like this stuff, but they love their footy, golf whatever,....well let me tell you, I just couldn't watch that stuff all day, but Supercars,...no problem at all. But I ain't knocking the footy, or the cricket, or the golf, or the horse racing etc,..I just love motorsport, and I have I reckon, since I started changing gears for Mum in her 1936 Austin 10, a LLOONNGG time ago.
All is good, Pickles.

Yeah, but I, like a lot of others have cancelled their Foxtel subsriptions due to ever increasing costs and the amount of adverts. With other streaming services available now, Foxtel is threatening to make itself redundant. If it wasn't for the sports channels, they would have gone bust by now. Although overall Foxtel claim they have an increasing customer base, that includes Bigpond Movies, Foxtel Play and other stuff they do - actual connections with a set top box are declining.

Without being rude, how much does it cost for a basic subscription with the sports package so you can watch the Supercars?

I now pay $9 a month total for Netflix and Stan (we have a family supscription for each which is shared 3 ways) - everyone has their own different log on from their own homes (none of this bull**** paying for an extra box to watch it somewhere else).

The only time I've even switched to FTA TV recently is when the Cricket is on. If that went to pay, I'd just listen to it on the radio.

Foxtel's buisness model is a Dinosaur and will be wiped out if they don't lift their game. They have a rapidly decining customer base - when I cancelled mine, they send a bloke around to pick the boxes up. I asked him how many he picks up now. His reply was 'This is a full time job for me now - I used to install them, but there's more money in diconnecting them and shipping them back now'. His van was half full of old boxes from disconnections - that was from 2 days work.

Just my point of view of course but what I'm trying to get accross is that there aren't many like yuo that are willing to connect to Foxtel just to watch the Supercars. The TV audiences will be a fraction of what they were, or could be.

How long before sponsors start noticing this and pulling their funding? I work for a company that has a lot to do with this series and who chucks in a lot of dollars. The sponsorship deal ends at the end of 2018 - I'll be interested to see what they do when this expires (I have no idea, just wondering - That's way above my pay grade, but they do very careful analysis when they put up sponsorship money, so who knows, but it will be an interesting yardstick whichever way they go)

I don't know how Foxtel works or doesn't work,...I just love the coverage, it's better than any sort of previous coverage, and I've been watching,....forever!!
Most of my friends have Foxtel,....and we love it,...they have provided everything they said thy would.
The Sport Package, as I said, was $25, but it cost me nothing, as there were other things in my package that I didn't need.
As far as anything else is concerned, it really ain't a worry to me. I've been watching Aussie Motorsport on Tv sinse 1967, and I remember the Ch 7 "Telecasts" then, of Bathurst, and in those days the telecast was interrupted for THREE HOURS for World Of Sport!!..remember Ron Casey & Jack Dyer,...thank goodness we've moved on from those days,...and for sure the same "knockers" were out there then,..."Why is this stuff on in the footy season"??!!
And like I said, talking "parity",...ya've gotta have it. Some may remember the Group A days when Fred Gibson was running the 4WD Nissan Godzilla (Dick Johnson's term!), with Skaife & Richards,...they were winning EVERYTHING, with the result that no-one wanted to run against them....at the Sandown 500 in the early 90s, there were only NINE cars on the grid. Holden would not run in most of the rounds in those days as their VN Group A simply could not win against the Nissan,...before that it was the Sierra, where Dick Johnson & John Bowe were almost unbeatable,....Johnson actually took his Sierra to the U.K, where he was winning his race against the so-called UK "Gurus", until forced to retire with a mechanical issue.
So Saloon car racing has survived, we've gone from 9 cars on the grid, to 26 in every round.
I used to go to Sandown, Calder, Winton etc, I started running car displays at Sandown in the nineties, but I don't go to the races anymore, I don't like the crowds, & it costs a fortune. Just have a look at the entry fees, and ya'll see that Foxtel is a bargain, & more importantly, I see & hear 100% more on Foxtel, than I ever did when I actually went there,...and I used to get to pretty good vantage points,...I was into photography in those days, so I got a "Press Pass",..which meant I could go virtually anywhere to get a decent shot!..on pit lane, around the circuit,..almost anywhere!
There are those that knock Nascar too,..they call that "Taxi Racing" too. Can't say I'm a "BIG" fan, but I did watch it when Ambrose was running,...."Taxi Racing"....well, AFAIC, it was pretty good, 200 MILES an hour, drafting, a bit of nudging, at 200MPH for hours on end,...pretty good taxi racing I reckon!!
Pickles.