Thread: Should tourists climb Uluru?

Originally Posted by bee utey

I think you would do well to re read the previous post, and not fly off the handle at a non existent insult.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Seriously???? Now someone is comparing Aranda people to dinosaurs!!!!!

not sure what your on but it isn't doing your comprehension skills any favours...

it is being watched but your feigning outrage every time someone dares to disagree with your point of view doesn't help keep the thread where it needs to be.

you need to make sense if you want people to absorb your point of view.

thank you...

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Seriously???? Now someone is comparing Aranda people to dinosaurs!!!!!

Mods do you still think this thread is acceptable?!

Bob, I'm sure you didn't intend to provoke such outrageous racist commentary, but you knew it would be provocative.

I'm going to cancel my AULRO subscription unless this thread is stopped.

Sincerely

You have been told before by the mods if you feel this thread is reportable Report it !
Dont stomp you feet and threaten to leave . Do you really think some would get upset if you move on

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Seriously???? Now someone is comparing Aranda people to dinosaurs!!!!!

Mods do you still think this thread is acceptable?! This is one of the most

Bob, I'm sure you didn't intend to provoke such outrageous racist commentary, but you knew it would be provocative.

I'm going to cancel my AULRO subscription unless this thread is stopped.

Sincerely

Didn't you already make a bunch of noise about something along those lines

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Well weeds, if it's not deleted, I'm out. No room for racism in my world.

My post is nowhere near as offensive as the majority of those above.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

This vicious gleeful trampling of another cultures religious beliefs is revolting. I'm out.

I mean, it could just be me but they are your quotes....

I think a little Toby Kieth is required on your part but thats just my thoughts and opinion on the matter. For those not a versed in country as myself... [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgKWj5D9Bx0"]clicky linky[/ame]

Wait, I think I missed something....
And if you believe that I've got a bridge and a hiclone to sell you

Originally Posted by MrLandy

It is highly disrespectful towards Anangu people.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

by insisting on climbing Uluru, you are telling Aranda people to live by your belief system.

which people is it we're talking about here?

By the by I (and possibly others) am still waiting on your answers to my questions. Unless you feel so strongly about the matter that you must bail out of AULRO before you can answer them, in which case, It's ok I understand and appreciate your decency in the matter.

Originally Posted by bob10

It's a pity you didn't get to Docker River. A little community between Uluru and the WA border. A dry community, it is one of the success stories of the region. Governed under tribal law, and law of the land, overseen by a NT Government Official and a small staff. A good mate of mine was that official for a couple of years. Doesn't mean they don't have problems, but grog isn't one of them.[ or wasn't back then] While he was there , the elders decided a ritual spearing was required to teach a young buck a lesson. Something to do with a woman. After the spearing he was required to go bush, with some minders, to relearn the clan rules.

I have been.

Ive been to several of the proper dry communities that still try to live as they were, on a couple of occasions under escort of some of the norforce blokes, sometimes for work reasons sometimes just because I could.

Ive seen the aboriginals at their best and I've seen them at their worst.

Theres a line I draw in the sand, and I gave one of our local indegenous cops a moment to pause when he had pulled me over for a breatho check.

Fair warning the next bit contains the word "Coon" and "aboriginal" No the 2 words are not interchangeable they infer a different level of respect.

heres the story.

I got pulled over by an aboriginal copper for a breath test, a few minutes of the ritual questions and license hand over and take back and blow in the straw and then he asked about why the steering column trim was missing, I told him the truth, I'd scared off some coon kid who was trying to steal the car out of my driveway at night, I was lucky that I was only out on the back deck reading and not watching a movie and he ran off when I got downstairs.

Naturally and understandably he got a little warmed under the collar and made comment that I should be careful because Not all us coons are bad.

Itold him I wasnt inferring he was a coon, he was an aboriginal, he was supporting the community, wasnt causing any problems and was being respectful when talking to me. An aboriginal wouldn't have been trying to steal my car, if he needed it he would have approached me and asked, a coon on the other hand,

After what felt like a minute he nodded wished me a good night and safe trip.

There in lies the difference between a coon and an aboriginal.


Want to see the same level of disrespect from within this thread?

Originally Posted by MrLandy

I've never read a bigger load of disrespectful, ignorant, bogun bull

Originally Posted by MrLandy

Seriously???? Now someone is comparing Aranda people to dinosaurs!!!!!

Mods do you still think this thread is acceptable?!

Bob, I'm sure you didn't intend to provoke such outrageous racist commentary, but you knew it would be provocative.

I'm going to cancel my AULRO subscription unless this thread is stopped.

Sincerely

Yes. As has been mentioned we are keeping a close eye on it, but it only seems to be you who is infuriated by every comment made.

If you think a post is unacceptable, them REPORT IT! I'm starting to sound like a broken record because you (and others) been told this before but have never reported a post you think is 'outrageous and/or unacceptable'. If no one reports it, it isn't going to get acted on - simple. If you really thing that post is unacceptable then hit the report button, type in an explanation of why you think it is and I PROMISE you it will get looked at.

What else do you want us to do?

Originally Posted by bob10

Sorry, but your explanation is just a tad simplistic. As explained before, the influence of Missionaries created a underclass of fringe dwellers, uninitiated adults ,often seen on the banks of the Todd river. It was this group which was empowered by some smart white men, and indeed set up to fail.Which they did, not surprisingly. .

The greatness of a society is how well it can pull success out of a given situation.

There is no situation that can not be exited in victory, sometimes its hard, near impossible and often can only be managed by the application of extreme luck. Sometimes you have to redefine your goals for victory or the time frame that you allocate to achieve your goal. In the latter case while you work to victory lifes going to suck, lifes like that.

Funny thing luck, the harder you work the luckier you get.

Was the situation that the locals were put in setup to fail, probably, did that doom or predetermine failure, of course not. There was a number of paths that could have and should have been taken but weren't.

That said.

Did you know that there is a way that the rock can be climbed within the confines of the locals laws? there are only certain parts of the rock that hold the key spiritual value and the rest of it is essentially just a "traverse" to get to those places?

in vague essence its sort of similar to the travels of the Wagyl in WA. Where the Wagyl traversed and left its trails forming the landscape as it went the traditional owners have no issue with us travelling or camping, Where it paused and created the hallows of their sacred sites and burial grounds we can go and observe, are asked not to enter unless invited and in a few areas where its not reasonable to skirt the ground "pathways" have been "cleansed" for us to pass through.

I learnt a lot on my second trip up the rock, mostly due to the company of the people who were taking me up.

as for my prior point 2.

where there is leeway for some to climb there should be leeway for all to climb IF they are willing to abide by the rules that permit that leway.

An $2 donation? no, us white fellas aren't going to respect something that is worth the same as a throw away meal from maccas and less than a small not even decent coffee.

you want to go see the rock as I've seen it.. you go and you learn and you learn properly, you understand what the significance of it is, you learn the history and heritage of the people and why this place is so important to them and then you can go and see the parts of it you are allowed to see, you can take photographs of it from the ground, you can take photos off of it facing out and away and you can be escorted and you can have all of your photographs vetted on the way out.

There is only one way your average "White fella" is going to learn to respect the rock for what it is. Its not by telling him he cant go climb it.

Mr Landy, are you able to give me any info on my earlier question at all please. I am interested as to how often it is used in the cultural sense.
And as for the other thread.
I'd be rather keen to hear the responses from the government and tourist places too. Perhaps for the benefit of the thread and your argument over why we should not walk up, you could just post them on there.