Six wheel studs to five wheel studs - why is it so hard?

**Jedimastermat** · 14th September 2012, 07:01 PM

Hi All
Mildly annoyed. Actually ****ed off.

Supposed to be heading up the Cape in 19 days as part of our four month trip.Have spent the last couple of months trying to get my van axle and hubs changed from six stud land cruiser to five stud discovery 2 steel wheel and to beef up the axle a bit from 45mm to something like 50 or 55mm.

After being screwed around and stuffed around for a couple of months (not van manufacturer another supposed workshop whose web site says special requirements and any alterations can be made in our workshop

) I told them to shove it today and give me my money back. I am not the only one who wants their van to have the same wheel as their car so i don't carry four spares when we head off birdsville track, innaminicka, or Cape even.

I'm not automotively inclined but I'm a professional scientist. Like to think I'm not an idiot. I just cant get - why is it so difficult?

It already has a wheel, tyre, hub and bearing combo. Why cant i get another combo with a five stud hub? Happy to be enlightened by one much more knowledgeable about such things.

Ive got a Jayco Dove Outback and a Disco II. Anyone know anyone who might be able to do it from say Sydney to Jindabyne? Ive got 8 steel wheels there now just gathering dust, taking up space and not endearing oneself with SWMBO due to their current white elephant status.

Now got to go and find a second van wheel so I have two spares.

o 0 (again-stupidly got rid of it thinking I didn't need it - maybe i am an idiot

)

cheers
mat

**Graeme** · 14th September 2012, 07:51 PM

The D2's stud layout (PCD) is too small for the generally-available trailer hubs that take the larger bearings for greater load carrying. Depending on your van's weight, hubs designed to take Commodore rims (same PCD as the D2) may be suitable but as they use significantly smaller bearings, they are only good for lighter vans/trailers. Then there's the issue of brakes where only 10" electric are normally available to fit the Commodore pattern hubs whereas the LC hubs can use either 10" or 12" electric brakes.

**Mick_Marsh** · 14th September 2012, 07:58 PM

Have a look at this website.
A lot these guys have in their catalogue I've been told doesn't exist by some other trailer manufacturers.

**pop058** · 14th September 2012, 09:17 PM

On evilbay now

Alko Trailer Hubs and Hydraulic Brakes suit Land Rover or Range Rover | eBay

**clubagreenie** · 14th September 2012, 09:26 PM

As above was going to be my reply before I got to the bottom of the posts.

It can be done, retarded people CBF'd.

**MR LR** · 14th September 2012, 09:36 PM

Hey Mat

Just to clarify, what you want is a new braked axle fitted with D2 stud pattern hubs to the van in the next 19 days right??

Do you know if the axle has been ordered or not? If not you may be pushing the limits with alko's ordering system...

It would however be quite easy to just swap the drums/hubs over to the D2 pattern (commodore, but HQ is more available and they fit), basically the hubs/drums can be bought from a trailer store, M14 studs fitted and then they're ready for steel wheels.

However if you want to run alloys its another kettle of fish as they locate on a centre spigot

The reason I ask is dad has done several hub conversions to all LR patterns, I can ask if he wants the job if you'd like, but no guarantees, he's busy ATM.

Cheers
Will

**BigJon** · 14th September 2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by pop058

On evilbay now

Alko Trailer Hubs and Hydraulic Brakes suit Land Rover or Range Rover | eBay

Wrong stud pattern for Disco II.

**Jedimastermat** · 15th September 2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

Hey Mat

Just to clarify, what you want is a new braked axle fitted with D2 stud pattern hubs to the van in the next 19 days right??

Do you know if the axle has been ordered or not? If not you may be pushing the limits with alko's ordering system...

It would however be quite easy to just swap the drums/hubs over to the D2 pattern (commodore, but HQ is more available and they fit), basically the hubs/drums can be bought from a trailer store, M14 studs fitted and then they're ready for steel wheels.

However if you want to run alloys its another kettle of fish as they locate on a centre spigot

The reason I ask is dad has done several hub conversions to all LR patterns, I can ask if he wants the job if you'd like, but no guarantees, he's busy ATM.

Cheers
Will

Hi Will
Unfortunately this saga has been going on since Oct 2011, yep 2011. I have been under the van, under the truck with a tape measure multiple multiple times measuring wheel centres, outside to out side, inside to inside, back of hub to back of hub, wheel tacks, you name it I have measured it.As an aside, more rant, I actually in some silly concept of customer service thought the workshop would do that work as I was paying for the privilege.

I just wanted to run the steel wheel (wasn't going to try for alloys). I got to 19 days to go, nothing had been ordered, made or done and I did my lolly pulled then pin. I had no expectation of it being completed, let alone within the remaining time. It hasn't happened in 10 months it wasn't going to happen in 19 days.

I'm just hoping someone can use words of one syllable so I understand why its such a convoluted process as ten months down the track I'm just portraying grumpy middle aged man to a high level of proficiency.

You offer is great but 19 days it wont happen. Your very kind to attempt a resolution. Too much other stuff happening to dedicate more time to this before we go. I'll have to do something at another time maybe after Christmas when we get back.

kindest regards
mat

**Graeme** · 15th September 2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

It would however be quite easy to just swap the drums/hubs over to the D2 pattern (commodore, but HQ is more available and they fit), basically the hubs/drums can be bought from a trailer store, M14 studs fitted and then they're ready for steel wheels.

Only if the current hubs are using LM or SL bearing sizes. Because there's been no work done, I suspect that the current hubs are using one of the larger bearing and axle sizes for which no Commodore (or HQ if near enough PCD is good enough) hubs are generally available and may not be able to carry the weight with the smaller bearings and axle. Furthermore the available brakes for such hubs may not have sufficient braking capacity with the large diameter tyres if the van currently has 12" brakes.

**Hoges** · 15th September 2012, 07:11 PM

I had similar issue and ended up ditching the LC compatible axle and 6 stud hubs altogether. As I was building a camper (simple frame- Navara tub/ARB canopy,roof top tent etc) the weight was not an issue. Fitted 45mm round axle with 10" off road "Commodore" Alko hubs, "outback" heavy duty magnets for electric brakes, slimline (Ford) bearings.

Got hubs drilled with Commodore VE PCD and pressed in 14mm wheel studs obtained from Holden dealer. Thickness of the hubs is a lot less than the standard Commodore disc rotor and therefore, 9mm wheel spacers are needed to pad out studs with alloy wheels otherwise studs are too long to accept standard D2/P38a wheel nuts.

Did not want to cut the studs...besides which there's not enough threaded section to properly torque up the nuts unless the wheel spacers are used (about $20 from Autobarn). Hope this is of some use....

BTW, the machined length on each end of the axle, dictated by the size of the bearings, precluded any need to enlarge the spigot hole in the alloy rims...

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