Thread: Puma Clutch Death Rattle Again

i remember the first puma clutch i fitted and i looked at the new plate and noted how loose the springs were, this was the 'new' plate as well, sure enough 5months later,


rattle rattle rattle

iv also noted how much drive line slack there is on pumas, my td5 with 118k and off road use, and its got no were near as much play as most pumas

the worst bit is that its NORMAL play, wev had alot customers complain of clunks and slack but compere it to a new and used defender its the same,

ford have really killed the defender, and as others said, the 'concept' was good,

only if

Originally Posted by stig0000

i remember the first puma clutch i fitted and i looked at the new plate and noted how loose the springs were, this was the 'new' plate as well, sure enough 5months later,


rattle rattle rattle

iv also noted how much drive line slack there is on pumas, my td5 with 118k and off road use, and its got no were near as much play as most pumas

the worst bit is that its NORMAL play, wev had alot customers complain of clunks and slack but compere it to a new and used defender its the same,

ford have really killed the defender, and as others said, the 'concept' was good,

only if

Hallelujah!!! Someone else who can vouch for a Td5 Vs Puma trans comparison!!! I am also of the same opinion!

JC

Interesting comments from both Justinc & Stig0000, regarding transfer slop...

I have tried to make the same point to the dealers, believing my puma was defective with XS slop compared to my 2005 Td5.

Do either of you bloke have any idea what is causing the extra slop? Is there some way it could be shimmed up a bit or modified?

Mine has just gone out of warranty now, so at some stage I might look at a proper rectification.

Brid

well, even tho they are the 'same' transfer box, i really do believe after looking in both that the puma is a massive cut cost job,

how many lt230 have you herd of simply shear the out put shaft from the center diff, or twist the out put shaft, be so out of balance that the hand brake drum grabs the shoes with the pads adjusted right out, i have seen all them and more, and all on pumas, never had a problem with anything before the puma, and they havent been flogged, there standard pumas on standard tyres,

its just so hard for us to tell a customer that there car is normal, but it is, live with it

as for shimming as we've never done that i cant comment on that

we have replaced both diffs transfer/ gear boxes/ a frames/ bushes, and, still ,, there is a drive line slack/clunk,

it is simply a puma thing,

I don't doubt you Stig but how many flogged out Puma transfers would you say you've seen?

I haven't yet had to pull one down, as the dealers get the job of opening them up during warranty, but yes all the ones I have inspected/ tested have been quite 'loose'. I have driven many earlier LT230's over 200K that are tighter Even ones with worn axles

I would love to be 100% proven incorrect, i'd hate to think that the iconic LT230 has declined, but the proof is out there, it seems.

JC

Well I suppose for those that want to keep there Pumas for a long time what are the possible conversions that can be done?

Motor and drive train transplant possibilities and aproximate costs, is this the option for Puma owners who want a 20 year car after warranty runs out?

I love the practicality of the 130 dual cabs I'd like to think I have a really longterm car......maybe Puma owners will need to look at conversion if they want to go long term, shouldn't have too I know but I suppose long term fixes need to be looked at?

there have only been a couple that have been undriverbull and had to be towed, thats not including ones with other faults,

but the fact that there are so many that are what you would not expect of a car that age and Ks,

i allways thought that the "lt230" was pretty indestructible, until now

if it was me and i have 55k to spend on a new car,, id get a low k 06 td5, and you still have alot of change to add the good things you want, and that will last you 20yrs,

i can't see th point of doing a engine swap as the cost would far out-way the +'s, i really do believe that in the next 3-5yrs,, the price of late model td5s will be even if not more second hand then the current puma second hand,

that is why i have a td5 and will be keeping it for along time yet,