2016 'Defender'

**cuppabillytea** · 23rd May 2015, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

We know they've built a new engine plant for the Ingenuim series which starts at 2.0 litres and can be larger.
We know they have a super sophisticated robot manufacturing plant.
We know they have adopted the key word 'durable' to describe the new Defender.
We know they have the existing platforms which can be used under the new Defender.
We know there's talk of continuing to make the existing Defender in India.
We know they've said they want to knock off the Hilux with a range of vehicles.
That all sounds good to me.

Thanks for focusing on the known. All the speculation is making me anxious. Not that it should because I don't intend to update. However My little bloke says he want's mine when he turns 18, so who knows.

**PAT303** · 23rd May 2015, 11:20 AM

Williams F1 designed the Ingenuim family of engines,going to such a well established outside source to get the technology they want is a brilliant move. Pat

**cuppabillytea** · 23rd May 2015, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by LouisW

I am a "Latte Pretender" owner with a tricked up Pretender - but guys look at it this way, if middle aged "Latte Sipping" white collar ****** keep buying Defenders, LRJ may just decided to make the new Defender very traditional to keep feeding the Pretender market as we will out buy you traditonalist 2 to 1

"ever heard of Panerai "hand-wound" watches with plastic cover not glass - well you have to wind the thing up every 2-3 days but like the defender us ******* like them

I'm sure that the Land Rover people keep a close eye on what we the end users do with and say about our purchases. Fora such as this would be a mine of information. The significance of the market's application of their product will not be lost on them. The defender's replacement will certainly be a high resolution reflection of this. However it has to comply with Euro spec and design rules world wide so it can't remain the way it is.
Your contribution to this process is at least as important as anyone else's. I gather you are a Land Rover Lifer, so your self deprecation has to be an ironic crack at the ideologues amongst us.
I'm probably the demographic antithesis of your good self but I understand where You're coming from. I've got an old Russian Government issue watch which I bought from a Russian sailor at the collapse of the Soviet Union. It worked for about a year and a half but i still hang on to it.

**goingbush** · 23rd May 2015, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

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I'm probably the demographic antithesis of your good self but I understand where You're coming from. I've got an old Russian Government issue watch which I bought from a Russian sailor at the collapse of the Soviet Union. It worked for about a year and a half but i still hang on to it.

Yeah , I'd keep that watch too, hang on mine still works , I never wear a watch but I'd never throw it out either, comrade . It still glows in the dark too.

or if it aint broke - don't fix it

After finding another 4x4 that fits me better I doubt I'll switch back unless the next defender is bloody well outstanding !!

Didge · 23rd May 2015, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

.......The defender's replacement will certainly be a high resolution reflection of this. However it has to comply with Euro spec and design rules world wide so it can't remain the way it is.
.........

above quote obviously edited BUT the need to comply with standards is constantly raised as a reason the Defender must change radically however Toyota's Landcruiser 70 is pretty similar to the Defender and they've managed to put airbags, etc in and achieve compliance with standards!
see below

TOYOTA AUSTRALIA has announced a raft of updates for the 70 Series Landcruiser range, including ............
Driver and front passenger airbags are now standard and an extended front bumper houses sensors for the airbag system.......
The 4.5-litre engine, which meets Euro IV emission standards, delivers 151kW of power at 3400rpm and generates a sizable 430Nm of torque from 1200rpm to 3200rpm. Hopefully the Defender replacement may supply something competitive.

**cuppabillytea** · 23rd May 2015, 06:42 PM

Too true Didge,and if the defender changes just that much,i'm sure everyone will be well chuffed.

**PAT303** · 23rd May 2015, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Didge

above quote obviously edited BUT the need to comply with standards is constantly raised as a reason the Defender must change radically however Toyota's Landcruiser 70 is pretty similar to the Defender and they've managed to put airbags, etc in and achieve compliance with standards!
see below

TOYOTA AUSTRALIA has announced a raft of updates for the 70 Series Landcruiser range, including ............
Driver and front passenger airbags are now standard and an extended front bumper houses sensors for the airbag system.......
The 4.5-litre engine, which meets Euro IV emission standards, delivers 151kW of power at 3400rpm and generates a sizable 430Nm of torque from 1200rpm to 3200rpm. Hopefully the Defender replacement may supply something competitive.

It would be helpfull if you posted up to date info,all vehicles sold in Oz have to be Euro V standard by November 2016,the Defender doesn't meet Euro V,neither does the Land Cruiser. Pat

**cuppabillytea** · 23rd May 2015, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by goingbush

Yeah , I'd keep that watch too, hang on mine still works , I never wear a watch but I'd never throw it out either, comrade . It still glows in the dark too.

or if it aint broke - don't fix it

After finding another 4x4 that fits me better I doubt I'll switch back unless the next defender is bloody well outstanding !!

Well said on all fronts tovarich. Your watch is a finer example and probably older than mine.

Didge · 23rd May 2015, 08:45 PM

Oh bugger, ya got me on a minor technicality there, didn't ya Pat?

let me look further

Didge · 23rd May 2015, 08:59 PM

This confirms Pat's earlier advice:
New Toyota 70 Series ‘under study' - motoring.com.au

HOWEVER
let's take a different tack and look at the Merc G wagen - see below

part of article from March 2011 found at:
Mercedes-Benz G-Class G350 BlueTec - First drive: Benz gives G-wagen another go | GoAuto

While the body and chassis are old-school, the diesel engine in the G-class represents the latest technology from Mercedes-Benz. The G350 BlueTec is the first Benz passenger vehicle in Australia to use AdBlue to reduce emissions from the diesel engine.

AdBlue is a urea solution that when injected into the hot exhaust system releases ammonia to convert up to 80 per cent of the nitrogen oxides (NOx) in the exhaust into harmless nitrogen and water when it reaches the SCR catalytic converter

Only a small amount of AdBlue is required, and Mercedes Benz claims that a single tank of AdBlue is good for about 12,000km or until the next service interval.

This technology has been used in heavy trucks for some time, so should an owner ever have to top up the AdBlue, it is available from highway truckstops, as well as Mercedes dealerships. On the G-class, the tank is filled via an opening beside the fuel filler.

BlueTec has reduced the NOx emissions from the turbo-diesel engine in the G350 by around 50 per cent to 295grams per kilometre, and the engine meets Euro 5 emissions regulations.

So back to my original argument/ thoughts - I don't see why JLR can't keep the basic shape of the Defender with obvious improvements that should have happened decades ago (Merc has something similar) and still meet all the requirements of EU emissions and safety - if they can do it so can JLR.

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