Thread: 2016 'Defender'

If a truck can be Euro6 and ADR compliant, why not a serious HD 4WD? Iveco too big, but great illustration of what's possible and I bet it doesn't have a twiddly terrain selector knob. A Defender is a small truck, not a big car.

"...I can't imagine why anyone can put Hilux and Defender in the same sentence" - absolutely.

Originally Posted by PAT303

2018 means we are deep into Euro VI standards,the front won't be as ''bluff'' as it is now,more curved with no sharp corners,it's important we are made responsible for injuries caused to half wits J walking,the 2.7 is out,possibly a single turbo 3.0ltre but my guess an Ingenuim engine,LR will go that way to get a longer production run,gearbox's will be auto's with lots of gears,6 speed manual as option,any more is silly,separate transfer,the body would have some Defender traits to carry tradition but will look like the current updated vehicles,I'd expect D4/RRS rounded front end with their lights,no 7'' rounds,I really think they will closely copy the D4 interior,owners love them because they sat 5 people in seats and designed the body around them,simply brilliant thinking,the diffs are hard,they have none that will work,the rear body is hard also,they want three lengths like we have now,a separate chassis is the way to go but they might go a D3-4 with alloy body with steel half chassis,that works very well and could solve mounting a tray,all the latest electric crap to meet world regulations,a basic model for farmers and mine sites and go up from there.What would I like to see,a 3.0ltre ingenuim long stroke four with no transfer but a 9 speed auto with first/second/third lock out spec'ed to my current X-Tech with nice sound/heat proofing,strong head lights,no adapter shafts or axle flanges,redundancy on all electrics and air suspension,strong A/C at the current ones weight but not much wider,I've knocked the mirrors off both of mine.The defender replacement must be equal or better offroad than the present one. Pat

Sounds good.
I wonder how long We'll have to wait for the first REAL bit of FACTUAL spec stuff from JLR, giving away a bit of the World's best kept secret?
Pickles.

I think the D3 was a great leap forwards in terms of Terrain Response which was then spread across the whole LR range (except Defender) and has been copied by other manufacturers.
I agree the Defender has to be a LOT better than a Hilux. I only mentioned it because I think it was Gerry McGovern who was quoted at one stage saying their target was to knock the Hilux off its pedestal. I think the Ford Ranger/Mazda BT50 has already done that. Will be interesting to see if the new Hilux is much of an improvement.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I think the D3 was a great leap forwards in terms of Terrain Response which was then spread across the whole LR range (except Defender) and has been copied by other manufacturers.
I agree the Defender has to be a LOT better than a Hilux. I only mentioned it because I think it was Gerry McGovern who was quoted at one stage saying their target was to knock the Hilux off its pedestal. I think the Ford Ranger/Mazda BT50 has already done that. Will be interesting to see if the new Hilux is much of an improvement.

G'Day Disco. Mate, is that really correct that the HiLux has been knocked off by the Ranger & BT50?.....I'm not saying it isn't,.....I just didn't know!
McGovern?....."The Master Of Subterfuge"?.....He has yet to give any REAL stuff away.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

G'Day Disco. Mate, is that really correct that the HiLux has been knocked off by the Ranger & BT50?.....I'm not saying it isn't,.....I just didn't know!
McGovern?....."The Master Of Subterfuge"?.....He has yet to give any REAL stuff away.
Pickles.

The last 2 years ranger has outsold it's twin BT50 about 2:1, this means in 2014 ranger sold 20,000 4x4s, Mazda about 10,000 4x4s to hilux who sold 27,000 4x4 hilux models.
Mazda is going to put on a new face on its bt50 mid year as that is one of the two big issues in its slower sales. The other is fleet.
These are numbers jan to June 2014 and show the twins about 1000 sales ahead of hilux.http://m.motoring.com.au/reviews/201...son-2014-45212

Originally Posted by frantic

The last 2 years ranger has outsold it's twin BT50 about 2:1, this means in 2014 ranger sold 20,000 4x4s, Mazda about 10,000 4x4s to hilux who sold 27,000 4x4 hilux models.
Mazda is going to put on a new face on its bt50 mid year as that is one of the two big issues in its slower sales. The other is fleet.
These are numbers jan to June 2014 and show the twins about 1000 sales ahead of hilux.Dual duel: 4WD dual-cab ute comparison 2014 - motoring.com.au

Ha ha ha, G'Day Frantic, you are ALWAYS the best with figures!!
Any mechanical upgrades for Ford & Mazda?,.....and also the HiLux I guess?.....I've heard it said that the Ranger engine is the one that should've gone into the Defender?
Pickles.

Originally Posted by frantic

The last 2 years ranger has outsold it's twin BT50 about 2:1, this means in 2014 ranger sold 20,000 4x4s, Mazda about 10,000 4x4s to hilux who sold 27,000 4x4 hilux models.
Mazda is going to put on a new face on its bt50 mid year as that is one of the two big issues in its slower sales. The other is fleet.
These are numbers jan to June 2014 and show the twins about 1000 sales ahead of hilux.Dual duel: 4WD dual-cab ute comparison 2014 - motoring.com.au

Frantic, one of the comments under that article you linked to says it all .

the YN65 he refers to is the Live Axle hilux .
If Defender drops Live Axles I'll never buy another one - which is a pity, as I'll have to buy a 'Wrangler Africa' instead

Rip Van Winkle ? 10 months ago
Congratulations. One of the most comprehensive road tests ever published. Very fair and considered presentation of facts and opinions. I bought the base model Triton last year after deliberating and testing most of these vehicles, being fortunate enough to have Rangers, Amaroks, D-Max, Colorado and Hilux in our work fleet. I acknowledge and admire the benefits of the top rated vehicles in your test but for my personal vehicle I was swayed by the amount of coin I had left to put towards my wife's Skoda Yeti. It is great to see we have so much choice in this category that every Aussie can match his needs, desires and personal choices with the amount of cash he is willing to outlay without the risk of being too disapointed with their choice. By the way I also still drive my YN65 that I have owned for 30 years and I reckon none of these would hold a candle to it off road - now there is a vehicle I wish I could still buy brand new again !!!!

Originally Posted by Pickles2

G'Day Disco. Mate, is that really correct that the HiLux has been knocked off by the Ranger & BT50?.....I'm not saying it isn't,.....I just didn't know!
McGovern?....."The Master Of Subterfuge"?.....He has yet to give any REAL stuff away.
Pickles.

I was just expressing an opinion about the merits of those vehicles, not their sales, but I think its generally agreed by the experts that the Ranger/BT 50 are currently technically superior to the Hilux. Be interesting to see if the coming new Hilux catches up.
The Defender's 2.2 engine is the base model in the Ranger, but I think I read somewhere that Ford wouldn't let LR use the larger engine in the Defender, which is a pity. Still, LR will soon be using its own engines in the next Defender.