Thread: Td5 vs tdci

Originally Posted by Dervish

The sad fact is that no matter how much more power you wring out of the little puma, the extra (notchy, horrible feeling) gear change to get to a reasonable speed keeps you slower than a Td5 with the same money spent on it. Perhaps all this is emphasised by how brilliant is the R380 is.

Everyone is probably sick of hearing my dislike of the MT82, a lot of people seem to like it, but after living with it for twelve months on a daily basis I still don't get on with it.
The one I use is behind a 3.2 Tdci and I really like the engine, but it's sadly let down by the gearbox.

I'd forgotten how sweet the upshift was on the R380 until I jumped back into the Tdi recently, but I did keep looking for 6th ! (and I'll admit to looking for 7th with the MT82 on a trip more than once. )

Well, after today, I reckon I've possibly narrowed down my choice after a gracious member on here invited me over to look over his '10 Defender 110 wgn 2.4ltr Tdci and go for a drive and I must admit, it's sort of sealed the direction I want to head for the future.

His 110 Wgn had the Performance upgrade; larger Intercooler; Exhaust made to breathe better and a larger air intake pipe from the Snorkel to the Airbox (even though he said that this mod was more about increased economy).

When I drove it, I was amazed at the drivability of it and it seemed to pull up hills in 4th quite well. Interior noise was down; comfort was great; Front and rear seating was good. The Gearbox seemed good except for me selecting 3rd instead of 5th
Everything seemed great and a BIG improvement over my old tdi300. To me and how this one went, I reckon it would suit our needs pretty well. Speaking to the owner, he says with the upgrade, towing is vastly improved (more torque down low as well) and for those that know Cunningham's Range in Qld, he said he tows his Cub Camper up the Range easily to the point that he needs to slow down to keep within the speed limit.

So, for our needs I think I'll be looking for a 2.4 version (No DPF on these and I believe they accept a performance upgrade on the ECU a bit more easily than the 2.2, something about a security code?).

I've got a few more years to continue my research to ensure I understand what I'm getting into before I will be selling the missus Prado & upgrade to a 2.4ltr but obviously will be keeping an eye out for any really good deals that may come up b4 then....

cheers & thanks for the input

rob

I know it was on page 1
But rescue tape rescue shmape
Lasted 5km on an intercooler hose rub through for me
Time taken removing hose applying tape re installing hose to have it fail again
could have been put to good use just driving at reduced boost.

BUT

I then drove 500km back to home base keeping boost under squeal pressure (9psi)
Before changing the hose

I am not one to call a tow truck

Oh and if you drive at reduced boost fuel economy is amazing!

S

Originally Posted by Robmacca

I recently had to change the Injectors in the wife's '10 Prado 150 D4d at the 160k Service ...

My question is what is the service life of the PUMA and TD5 injectors? If the vehicle is serviced well and filters changed accordingly, do u have to ever change the Injectors in the TD5 and PUMA?

In other threads people have indicated that their TD5s have the original injectors at 500k + kms.
Did you replace your Toyota's D4D injectors with OEM , or use Baileys injectors (etc). Btw: the fuel rail on the D4D should be replaced about every 3rd to 4th time its undone, as the likelihood of it leaking increases with each reuse. (Eg checking tappets every 40k requires the rail off from what I've heard).

Originally Posted by bsperka

In other threads people have indicated that their TD5s have the original injectors at 500k + kms.
Did you replace your Toyota's D4D injectors with OEM , or use Baileys injectors (etc). Btw: the fuel rail on the D4D should be replaced about every 3rd to 4th time its undone, as the likelihood of it leaking increases with each reuse. (Eg checking tappets every 40k requires the rail off from what I've heard).

Yeah, used the Genuine Denso Injectors at $440/each. Will keep it in mind regarding the fuel lines for the next valve clearance check at the 200k mark.

Good to know that the lifetime of the TD5 injectors is LONG if treated right because at $880/each x 5 = $4400, that's definitely a Credit Card killer

I reckon the Puma though will be better suited to our requirements, so now, I've just got to keep saving until the right time comes up....

Re: The Replacement of the "Spud Shaft" between the G'box & T'fer on the Puma, would it be fair to say that if it's done 100k+ in kms that it should have been replaced?

Originally Posted by Robmacca

Well, after today, I reckon I've possibly narrowed down my choice after a gracious member on here invited me over to look over his '10 Defender 110 wgn 2.4ltr Tdci and go for a drive and I must admit, it's sort of sealed the direction I want to head for the future.

His 110 Wgn had the Performance upgrade; larger Intercooler; Exhaust made to breathe better and a larger air intake pipe from the Snorkel to the Airbox (even though he said that this mod was more about increased economy).

When I drove it, I was amazed at the drivability of it and it seemed to pull up hills in 4th quite well. Interior noise was down; comfort was great; Front and rear seating was good. The Gearbox seemed good except for me selecting 3rd instead of 5th
Everything seemed great and a BIG improvement over my old tdi300. To me and how this one went, I reckon it would suit our needs pretty well. Speaking to the owner, he says with the upgrade, towing is vastly improved (more torque down low as well) and for those that know Cunningham's Range in Qld, he said he tows his Cub Camper up the Range easily to the point that he needs to slow down to keep within the speed limit.

So, for our needs I think I'll be looking for a 2.4 version (No DPF on these and I believe they accept a performance upgrade on the ECU a bit more easily than the 2.2, something about a security code?).

I've got a few more years to continue my research to ensure I understand what I'm getting into before I will be selling the missus Prado & upgrade to a 2.4ltr but obviously will be keeping an eye out for any really good deals that may come up b4 then....

cheers & thanks for the input

rob

Good stuff. Our 2.4 easily tows our camper up the hill to Maleny, from sea level to 550 metres in a short distance. Six gears makes a lot of difference.

Td5 injectors (new) can be bought for much less than 4400/ set.
As stated if fuel cleanliness is managed, 500k + easily achieved.
But.. if you had 500+k on your TD5 you will have a number of other considerations for $, of which I would suggest, new injectors wouldn't be on the list.
In fact with such long life commonly achieved as the norm rather than the exception 2nd hand at around 100 a piece would be the choice for most unless playing in performance land.

Originally Posted by Robmacca

Yeah, used the Genuine Denso Injectors at $440/each. Will keep it in mind regarding the fuel lines for the next valve clearance check at the 200k mark.

Good to know that the lifetime of the TD5 injectors is LONG if treated right because at $880/each x 5 = $4400, that's definitely a Credit Card killer

I reckon the Puma though will be better suited to our requirements, so now, I've just got to keep saving until the right time comes up....

Re: The Replacement of the "Spud Shaft" between the G'box & T'fer on the Puma, would it be fair to say that if it's done 100k+ in kms that it should have been replaced?

Rob I've replaced many spud shafts at between 50 and 70k even. Some 90s with no towbar fitted have been the worst, go figure😠

Jc