Thread: The "New" Defender, ...Your Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

My opinion is based on my own observations, experience and intellect. Cheers

2 out of 3 isn't bad...

Originally Posted by Tombie

2 out of 3 isn't bad...

Nice Tombie. Very impressive.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

[...] I am speculating that it won't meet my expectations. You guys are all speculating that it will be awesome. So be it. We have a difference of opinion. [...]

Well said. And completely fits the facts that most of the forum punters here will have already observed in multiple threads - that your personal expectations won't be met by the thus far undefined "new Defender".

I sure don't "need" to be told again of how disappointed you expect to be by the new Defender, nor of your doubts that there will even be a new Defender. I got it already. I also accept that while I don't "need" to be told again - you have a right to share your opinion again, and again, and again... even outside of the threads you created for that purpose. I just don't enjoy it.

I do, however, enjoy a good chin wag with the lads tho - those who have a bit more of a positive outlook, likely born of an understanding that there are a few more than just one way to skin the proverbial moggie. (More than one way to build a new Defender - some perhaps that just might hit a sweet spot in some hearts). That's a conversation I enjoy.

Originally Posted by tact

Well said. And completely fits the facts that most of the forum punters here will have already observed in multiple threads - that your personal expectations won't be met by the thus far undefined "new Defender".

I sure don't "need" to be told again of how disappointed you expect to be by the new Defender, nor of your doubts that there will even be a new Defender. I got it already. I also accept that while I don't "need" to be told again - you have a right to share your opinion again, and again, and again... even outside of the threads you created for that purpose. I just don't enjoy it.

I do, however, enjoy a good chin wag with the lads tho - those who have a bit more of a positive outlook, likely born of an understanding that there are a few more than just one way to skin the proverbial moggie. (More than one way to build a new Defender - some perhaps that just might hit a sweet spot in some hearts). That's a conversation I enjoy.

Cheers Neil, enjoy.

Originally Posted by MrLandy

I think a new JLR EV 4x4 is the only other plausible reason (other than the probability that Defender really is finished) for the constant delays in any real announcement on a new Defender.

I think the reasons I put forward earlier in this thread are far more likely.

1. The new GBP 1 billion production facility in Slovakia won't be online until 2018 at the earliest. I have no doubt at all that the next Defender will be Slovakian to keep a lid on cost.

2. Prioritisation: getting the high margin vehicles right first from the Range Rover and Discovery pillars of the brand. The new Jaguar F-Pace would have also been given a lot of attention in recent years. JLR has finite resources, after all.

3. The DC100 concept was a disaster and required a ground-up rethink.

JLR is in a stronger position today than it ever has been. It finally has the resources and expertise to create a worthy replacement to the Fender we all love. I think there's good reasons for many of us to feel optimistic about the future of the Defender.

Originally Posted by tact

Well said. And completely fits the facts that most of the forum punters here will have already observed in multiple threads - that your personal expectations won't be met by the thus far undefined "new Defender".

I sure don't "need" to be told again of how disappointed you expect to be by the new Defender, nor of your doubts that there will even be a new Defender. I got it already. I also accept that while I don't "need" to be told again - you have a right to share your opinion again, and again, and again... even outside of the threads you created for that purpose. I just don't enjoy it.

I do, however, enjoy a good chin wag with the lads tho - those who have a bit more of a positive outlook, likely born of an understanding that there are a few more than just one way to skin the proverbial moggie. (More than one way to build a new Defender - some perhaps that just might hit a sweet spot in some hearts). That's a conversation I enjoy.

On a positive note, although Mr Landy has frustrated and annoyed many of us with his agenda. He has extracted comments, ideas and even the odd philosophical murmuring, that may otherwise have never come to light.

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

On a positive note, although Mr Landy has frustrated and annoyed many of us with his agenda. He has extracted comments, ideas and even the odd philosophical murmuring, that may otherwise have never come to light.

Thanks Billy for recognising the value of an alternate viewpoint. By the way, I have no agenda. Just call it as I see it. Time will tell. Vive la difference. Cheers.