The "New" Defender, ...Your Thoughts?

**tact** · 6th July 2016, 12:40 PM

So what can be built that accommodates the 4 "must have" bullet points in my last post?

The mind boggles! It's a wide open space! I won't even try to second guess where LR might go with that.

If it involves borrowing engineering and designs from other existing new platforms - I don't see any issue with that.

Just focusing on one aspect, let's say suspension: I reckon that whatever the new defender has be it air, coil, leaf, torsion bar, or something entirely other - what ever it is will be executed with a high degree of awesome. Because they have to. And this principle will be across the board. I reckon.

So whether the new defender is separate chassis or monocoque (or a hybrid), whether it has coils or air, whether it has solid axles or independant susp. - I reckon it's going to have significant "wow factor". Just like the way the other two pillars have been executed.

**carlschmid2002** · 9th July 2016, 07:06 AM

2019 Land Rover Defender: New Off-Road Tech – Bye Wrangler! – DailySun

Once upon a time I would have frowned at a 4wd with no transfer case but i is starting to make a lot of sense. Space, weight and vibrations to think of a few reasons.

**scarry** · 9th July 2016, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by carlschmid2002

2019 Land Rover Defender: New Off-Road Tech ? Bye Wrangler! ? DailySun

Once upon a time I would have frowned at a 4wd with no transfer case but i is starting to make a lot of sense. Space, weight and vibrations to think of a few reasons.

But i still can't see how an eight speed box will provide a spread of ratios similar to the current,for example, ZF and 2 speed TC in the current model D4.

The eight speed is used to keep the ratios close to maximise fuel economy,etc.Spreading the ratios will produce large gaps in between,i would think?

And at times the very low gears are handy,they are not something that are hardly ever used.

Maybe i am missing something

**PAT303** · 9th July 2016, 06:13 PM

It'll start off in 3rd or 4th normally by the way of a low gear cut out and you'll select 1st,2nd or 3rd manually when needed,off road machinery and a lot of road trucks have run this set-up for years.My mate has an Amarock and it goes everywhere a two speed T/C vehicle goes. Pat

**carlschmid2002** · 9th July 2016, 07:33 PM

I have driven Unimogs for years with the same set-up. 8 gears forward and 8 gears in reverse. I can say that I have got in 8th on a runway in reverse. I had a guide with his head out the capola.

**tact** · 11th July 2016, 04:25 PM

Maybe the "new" Defender might satisfy you after all, MrLandy?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-f...ml#post2558413

**scarry** · 11th July 2016, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by PAT303

It'll start off in 3rd or 4th normally by the way of a low gear cut out and you'll select 1st,2nd or 3rd manually when needed,off road machinery and a lot of road trucks have run this set-up for years.My mate has an Amarock and it goes everywhere a two speed T/C vehicle goes. Pat

So if you start off in third,you are going back to a 6 speed for road use,or fourth,a five speed.

Unimogs,trucks and large off road machinery are slightly different to the vehicles we are talking about.

Anyway,see what happens.

MrLandy · 11th July 2016, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by tact

Maybe the "new" Defender might satisfy you after all, MrLandy?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-f...ml#post2558413

not at all Tact. ...As I've said many times now, I think Defender should have been fully redesigned at least a decade ago and that any 'new' Defender has a lot to live up to. This doesn't mean it should just stay the same. It needs to move with the times. BUT what I am also consistently saying is that I'm not convinced JLR are really up for the redesign required. This it seems is what we disagree on. A nine speed auto? Sure, but it had better be much more robust over the long term than the majority of autos around...etc. I just don't believe JLR are seriously interesting in the HD work vehicle market anymore. If they were they would have redesigned Defender by now.

PS the queen isn't even sitting in a Defender in that pic! More lamearse motoring journalism too.

**Stuart02** · 11th July 2016, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

. I just don't believe JLR are seriously interesting in the HD work vehicle market anymore. If they were they would have redesigned Defender by now.

I don't know about that. I think the Defender was a kind of halo car for LR. It never mattered that it sold in small numbers cos it was a branding exercise, showing the brand's roots. There's no other reason they'd have persevered with it so long.

**tact** · 11th July 2016, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

not at all Tact. ...As I've said many times now, I think Defender should have been fully redesigned at least a decade ago [...]

Ok ooook.

But what if to resurrect the "old" Defender he has to modernize it a little? You know, airbags, crumple zones, fix a few leaks, pass some design/safety standards - That kinda thing. The article mentioned interest in IP, not so much about tools and dies.... Maybe he thinks like you - that the "new" defender (by Land Rover) won't cut the mustard and maybe he can do it right.

Damn that glass is half full - again!

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