EV general discussion

Costs up- EV cost money as well of course ( Unless I am charging at home when sun is shining like now [biggrin])

"On Monday, 13 February 2023, our 50kW public fast chargers will increase in price from 40c per kWh to 45c per kWh.

Our 350kW ultra-fast chargers will not change, remaining at 60c per kWh.

This is the first price increase we have made since 2020 and is reflective of the increased cost of energy."

Another few charging types increased costs a bit as well.

Mean while back in the Disco price is about $2 per litre so at 10lt per km cost is about $20 for fuel only. ( it costs a bit more with the boat on)
My short quirky Ev is perhaps17kWh so $7.65 ish for fuel only.

Not going to talk about the main cost pain with my Disco[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Costs up- EV cost money as well of course ( Unless I am charging at home when sun is shining like now [biggrin])

"On Monday, 13 February 2023, our 50kW public fast chargers will increase in price from 40c per kWh to 45c per kWh.

Our 350kW ultra-fast chargers will not change, remaining at 60c per kWh.

This is the first price increase we have made since 2020 and is reflective of the increased cost of energy."

Another few charging types increased costs a bit as well.

Mean while back in the Disco price is about $2 per litre so at 10lt per km cost is about $20 for fuel only. ( it costs a bit more with the boat on)
My short quirky Ev is perhaps17kWh so $7.65 ish for fuel only.

Not going to talk about the main cost pain with my Disco[bigwhistle]

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Watch it change soon though - when they put an excise like charge on power for EVs to cover roads etc..

If we take that $2.00 per litre for 10 litres theres $4.60 in excise in there

Now take the $0.45 / And add the same charge and its $15.47 for your quirky EV

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Watch it change soon though - when they put an excise like charge on power for EVs to cover roads etc..

If we take that $2.00 per litre for 10 litres theres $4.60 in excise in there

Now take the $0.45 / And add the same charge and its $15.47 for your quirky EV

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I am paying the Ev Road use tax - whoops excise[thumbsupbig] here in Vic. Agree we all need nice roads unless off road Sir [thumbsupbig]

Edit- There is a ongoing high court challenge about state tax and that which might change that. It might need to be a federal tax[bigrolf][bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Costs up- EV cost money as well of course ( Unless I am charging at home when sun is shining like now [biggrin])

"On Monday, 13 February 2023, our 50kW public fast chargers will increase in price from 40c per kWh to 45c per kWh.

Our 350kW ultra-fast chargers will not change, remaining at 60c per kWh.

This is the first price increase we have made since 2020 and is reflective of the increased cost of energy."

Another few charging types increased costs a bit as well.

Mean while back in the Disco price is about $2 per litre so at 10lt per km cost is about $20 for fuel only. ( it costs a bit more with the boat on)
My short quirky Ev is perhaps17kWh so $7.65 ish for fuel only.

Not going to talk about the main cost pain with my Disco[bigwhistle]

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I didn't mention this in the spray above about efficiency. But an EV ute if it looses the efficiency with aero .. the gap to petrol might not be that big. I think The Tesla I have on order is around 15kwh/100 (They are some of the most efficient). Which at my electricity rate (20c per kwh)is only about $3 per 100k. Less if I charge off solar. My Defender is about 12/100 which is about $25 per hundred. [bigsad]

Some of the big 4x4 and vans can be up to nearly 30kwh/100 at that rate is more like $6. But if you are doing fast charging out of the home.. at like .66.. that's $19.8 per 100.

Something to think about.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Watch it change soon though - when they put an excise like charge on power for EVs to cover roads etc..

If we take that $2.00 per litre for 10 litres theres $4.60 in excise in there

Now take the $0.45 / And add the same charge and its $15.47 for your quirky EV

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That's the thing so many people overlook. Right now there are financial incentives to get people into the things. Does anyone seriously believe that various govts will forego revenue indefinitely? That London will continue to exempt EVs from the Congestion Tax? That EVs will continue to be charged at a discounted rate anywhere in the world? That big electricity generators will continue to upgrade the grids out of the goodness of their hearts? And yes, as Mike says, who will pay for the roads?

All those who could afford the initial outlay for home solar a decade ago got all sorts of financial benefits at the expense of those who could not. The same thing is happening here, only this time it's far worse for the poorer in our society for who a new car purchase, any new car purchase, is a dream. And I know something for sure, and that is there's no way I'd buy a second hand Tesla.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I didn't mention this in the spray above about efficiency. But an EV ute if it looses the efficiency with aero .. the gap to petrol might not be that big. I think The Tesla I have on order is around 15kwh/100 (They are some of the most efficient). Which at my electricity rate (20c per kwh)is only about $3 per 100k. Less if I charge off solar. My Defender is about 12/100 which is about $25 per hundred. [bigsad]

Some of the big 4x4 and vans can be up to nearly 30kwh/100 at that rate is more like $6. But if you are doing fast charging out of the home.. at like .66.. that's $19.8 per 100.

Something to think about.

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The figure you’re quoting? Is that from Tesla?
Looking at the number you’re talking Model 3 RWD?
Add 20% minimum with HEVAC running.. so that’s 18kwh/100km

Based on all real world testing done - quoted range is about 20-25% less with the HEVAC on during a mild day.

I remember when we looked at Tesla, we pushed them to confirm their Long Range vehicle would actually make it to Adelaide from home. They were confident - right up until I pushed for with the AC running on a summers day over 25°c?

Silence, and then the response “there’s a charger at Clare”.

Even their longest range vehicle cannot make it 400km with the AC on. And that’s with a brand new battery. After a few years we cannot make it even with the AC off.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Costs up- EV cost money as well of course ( Unless I am charging at home when sun is shining like now [biggrin])

"On Monday, 13 February 2023, our 50kW public fast chargers will increase in price from 40c per kWh to 45c per kWh.

Our 350kW ultra-fast chargers will not change, remaining at 60c per kWh.

This is the first price increase we have made since 2020 and is reflective of the increased cost of energy."

Another few charging types increased costs a bit as well.

Mean while back in the Disco price is about $2 per litre so at 10lt per km cost is about $20 for fuel only. ( it costs a bit more with the boat on)
My short quirky Ev is perhaps17kWh so $7.65 ish for fuel only.

Not going to talk about the main cost pain with my Disco[bigwhistle]

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I could see that was going to happen eventually with my V8 D 1.5 facelift, so got rid while it was still drive able. Up to that point it was a great vehicle. A week's fuel was then about A$100. With the CX3 it is about that for a Month or better. D1. Would have needed 4x New tyres, Engine a bit noisy & could have been a loose Top Hat or 2 etc etc but enjoyed her since '95. [bigsad]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

The figure you’re quoting? Is that from Tesla?
Looking at the number you’re talking Model 3 RWD?
Add 20% minimum with HEVAC running.. so that’s 18kwh/100km

Based on all real world testing done - quoted range is about 20-25% less with the HEVAC on during a mild day.

I remember when we looked at Tesla, we pushed them to confirm their Long Range vehicle would actually make it to Adelaide from home. They were confident - right up until I pushed for with the AC running on a summers day over 25°c?

Silence, and then the response “there’s a charger at Clare”.

Even their longest range vehicle cannot make it 400km with the AC on. And that’s with a brand new battery. After a few years we cannot make it even with the AC off.

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Interesting post. All EV's suffer on the highway. Most of the reviews I've seen are around 15 but I assume that's based on a mixed cycle. On a pure highway drive, particularly if you are pushing it doesn't surprise me it gets to 18.

Check the range variation on this real world based site.

Tesla Model Y (2022-2023) price and specifications - EV Database

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Interesting post. All EV's suffer on the highway. Most of the reviews I've seen are around 15 but I assume that's based on a mixed cycle. On a pure highway drive, particularly if you are pushing it doesn't surprise me it gets to 18.

Check the range variation on this real world based site.

Tesla Model Y (2022-2023) price and specifications - EV Database

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Thanks for that… where’s the Hot weather figures?

It’s glass roofed, even a mild day in AU will have the AC on.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Thanks for that… where’s the Hot weather figures?

It’s glass roofed, even a mild day in AU will have the AC on.

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Highway Mild Weather 320Km..... so from my place to Sydney requires 2 charging stops. Not my idea of " real world ". My D2 can do that trip with a splash and dash at Marulan. With the AC on, and the headlights ( always I drive mitt lights ).