EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by scarry

It’s not just the harvest,there is a heap of work that is done using huge machinery well before harvest is even being thought about.

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Yep, transport to market, seed cleaning and sorting, spraying/weed control - the list goes on all year around and it all used copious quantities of diesel. Was using harvest as the worst case scenario as it's when fuel us peaks. The amount of energy required to grow our food and get it to our plates is staggering.

Here's a nice little clip of 20 headers on one farm here in Aus.

https://youtu.be/KuAQigc_YVQ

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Originally Posted by Homestar

I can’t see it if the world continues the need to eat unfortunately. let’s look at a large broad acre operation. During harvest they will run say 6 x Headers - 700Hp each 24/7 - up to 200KM from the farm, then the 4 or 5 x 500HP plus tractors to keep up with them and then the fleet of trucks to haul that to the grain bins over the next 3 months plus the truck support for the 30,000 plus litres of diesel A DAY they require to run this operation. Oh, and the farm has a 100 amp single phase supply that’s run from what looks like a bit of wet string. That’s one farm and then think there are hundreds of them just in one state/province depending on the country you’re in.

I’m all ears on how this goes electric.

Diesel will be around longer than I’ll be alive - not sure when it will run out but I’m guessing we’ll all be screwed when that happens unless someone invents a Mr Fusion in the meantime. [emoji4]

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Did you see your number? 30,000 times $1.670 is over $50,000 cost per day. Times that by a few days or weeks and we have some funding for things that are or will be cheaper. The ethanol, methane to Hydrogen or "ammonia" has options proved or about to be proved. Not a sure thing but with the hottest day Every recorded (3 July) suspect it will be forced wanted or not.

One company I had is a remote miner. The electrification via investment Small Modular Reactors nuclear is being funded by one of the biggest almost interrogated steel companies already. The company here shipping semi load of Diesel cost is beyond the $$$$$$$ many of us could count to [biggrin]

That company also invested heavily in Lanza Tech[bigwhistle]

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That’s not that much - we go through around 10,000 litres a day. It’s not a valid point saying use that money for a few weeks to find alternatives as that means skipping a harvest for a season then we all die of starvation….

I know there’s a lot of companies doing a lot of things but it’s all just faffing around at the edges at the moment and I don’t see anything changing for generations to rid out farming of their reliance on diesel. What about the second and third tier farms - they don’t even buy new equipment but used and then keep it running for decades. I don’t think they’ll be in the market for a power upgrade to their equipment until their current children’s great grand children are dead and buried (if the planet makes it that far)

Very good points. A look at history could be instructive. Farming in Australia started to mechanise (replace horses with tractors) in the early 1900s, and by the 1920s tractors were common on many farms. However, just as an example, the husband of a niece of mine, living about two farms from here, was tasked as a child, with bringing in and harnessing the horses before school in the 1960s. That farm was not entirely mechanised until about 1970. The adjoining one had no motor vehicles at all until 1968.

This perhaps indicates the sort of time scale needed for major changes in farming practices.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Very good points. A look at history could be instructive. Farming in Australia started to mechanise (replace horses with tractors) in the early 1900s, and by the 1920s tractors were common on many farms. However, just as an example, the husband of a niece of mine, living about two farms from here, was tasked as a child, with bringing in and harnessing the horses before school in the 1960s. That farm was not entirely mechanised until about 1970. The adjoining one had no motor vehicles at all until 1968.

This perhaps indicates the sort of time scale needed for major changes in farming practices.

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......and on a smaller scale, perhaps, the conversion of all the Council and Shire maintenance equipment, such as road graders, backhoes, semis and trucks. How are they going to refuel machinery that is carrying out repair work on, for example, the Gibb, Peninsula Dev. Rd or the like? What will happen to Main Road Camps? How will they keep their machines running? Huge gennies, I suppose.

Or won't we have the vehicle capability to use these roads any more?

I still have friends who run 50 year old tractors and equipment for various tasks around their farms. They have a couple of newer (20 year old) tractors but the old stuff still does what’s required of it so why upgrade?

I have a 1967 MF165 that still goes as well as the day it was made.

My tractor was made (in Australia) in 1969. My next door neighbour, who is probably one of the wealthiest and most successful farmers in the area, has about five tractors - the newest is, I think, about twenty years old, but I think, for example, the one that is used for removing hay from the hayshed when needed is probably at least fifty years old.

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Originally Posted by scarry

And try to rent something to go on a dirt road,or off road,very difficult to find as well.

And dont think of just taking it there,as most hire vehicles have trackers on them.

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It's all but impossible to hire a 4x4 to take off road. Unfortunately.

I must say I've found the banter in here amusing. A bunch of people who say an EV would definitely not be suitable for my purposes, and won't be suitable for anyone else .. as they are useless.

Meanwhile, the people I do talk to with them. They seem to find them anything but useless. In many cases they do a lot of driving, and despite all the odds seem to find time to charge them and do what they have to do.

Last year only 1% of sales were EV's in June. This June 8.8 including getting the second spot outright.

Tesla Model Y electric SUV outsells Ford Ranger | CarExpert

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I must say I've found the banter in here amusing. A bunch of people who say an EV would definitely not be suitable for my purposes, and won't be suitable for anyone else .. as they are useless.

Meanwhile, the people I do talk to with them. They seem to find them anything but useless. In many cases they do a lot of driving, and despite all the odds seem to find time to charge them and do what they have to do.

Last year only 1% of sales were EV's in June. This June 8.8 including getting the second spot outright.

Tesla Model Y electric SUV outsells Ford Ranger | CarExpert

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I don’t think there’s many comments at all saying they are useless to everyone. Just seems the limited to those who poke around the City and have good infrastructure where they live and drive and have a large disposable income - oh, that’s right - the Wealthy - who are very happy to tell the great unwashed to suck it up and get on board. [emoji6]