EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Homestar

This cracked me up in the linked article. - Fair Charge, a campaign group for electric vehicles, described it as “misinformation erroneously shaping public policy”.

The zealot EV campaigners have spread misinformation of their own to the highest levels of Government and to the Public - Hypocrisy at its finest. It's obviously fine for them to do it but heaven help us that someone turns their tactics back on them.

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So much waffle in so many places. A Decoupled Pod cast suggesting if three EV home chargers were in a single street the power infrastructure may be overwhelmed. Netherlands report I think?

The same issue on Steroids in Wind and solar connections which are both too much at times and too little at other.

Planning or LACK of it is added to be zeolots on all sides of electrification. Coffee planned to chat with a sparky in two hours about this[biggrin] The Heat Pumps, Induction Cook tops, Airconditioning and EVs are load that may not have been allowed for perhaps in some of our homes and businesses connections?

On EV only. Melbourne, Ballarat to Port Fairy and school run with no charging stops saw 6% left last night. I considered that carefully over a beer at the Stump. :) 320ish and a bit more. My first Disco could do 1000+ with the long range tank full of $$$$$$$ diesel of course. The beer and dinner was $47. The 50kWh charge was $33

I could work out the cost for the several times I did the same trip in my Disco.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

So much waffle in so many places. A Decoupled Pod cast suggesting if three EV home chargers were in a single street the power infrastructure may be overwhelmed. Netherlands report I think?

The same issue on Steroids in Wind and solar connections which are both too much at times and too little at other.

Planning or LACK of it is added to be zeolots on all sides of electrification. Coffee planned to chat with a sparky in two hours about this[biggrin] The Heat Pumps, Induction Cook tops, Airconditioning and EVs are load that may not have been allowed for perhaps in some of our homes and businesses connections?

On EV only. Melbourne, Ballarat to Port Fairy and school run with no charging stops saw 6% left last night. I considered that carefully over a beer at the Stump. :) 320ish and a bit more. My first Disco could do 1000+ with the long range tank full of $$$$$$$ diesel of course. The beer and dinner was $47. The 50kWh charge was $33

I could work out the cost for the several times I did the same trip in my Disco.

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The move away from gas is a whole other issue. We can't do it at our place as I only have a 32amp supply for the whole house. While this is heaps and has been for the last 23 years I've lived there we recently renovated the kitchen and looking at Induction cooktops the one I wanted draws 30.9 amps (full load current with 3 elements going) which wouldn't happen everyday, but would happen so that basically taps out my entire supply - when I would need to use my electric oven at the same time (13 amps) and maybe wanting to boil a kettle (8 amps) so not something I would want to manage my way around so a new gas stovetop it was.

Just looking at your numbers to Port Fairy - yes, much cheaper than the Disco I'm sure but if you want to compare something a little closer my partner did a run to Warnambool and back last week for work in her Hybrid (Rav4). Averaged 5.6 litres per hundred so for the trip to Port Fairy and say $2 a litre it would have cost around $36 for the trip using dinosaur squeezing's - but she'd still have more than half a tank left and can turn around and drive home - which is what she did and still had fuel in the tank when she got back. I'm sure your EV has many benefits for you and I'm not wanting to rag on it but if you're looking at it from a fuel cost perspective only the calculations are similar for a Hybrid without the range anxiety.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

The move away from gas is a whole other issue. We can't do it at our place as I only have a 32amp supply for the whole house. While this is heaps and has been for the last 23 years I've lived there we recently renovated the kitchen and looking at Induction cooktops the one I wanted draws 30.9 amps (full load current with 3 elements going) which wouldn't happen everyday, but would happen so that basically taps out my entire supply - when I would need to use my electric oven at the same time (13 amps) and maybe wanting to boil a kettle (8 amps) so not something I would want to manage my way around so a new gas stovetop it was.

Just looking at your numbers to Port Fairy - yes, much cheaper than the Disco I'm sure but if you want to compare something a little closer my partner did a run to Warnambool and back last week for work in her Hybrid (Rav4). Averaged 5.6 litres per hundred so for the trip to Port Fairy and say $2 a litre it would have cost around $36 for the trip using dinosaur squeezing's - but she'd still have more than half a tank left and can turn around and drive home - which is what she did and still had fuel in the tank when she got back. I'm sure your EV has many benefits for you and I'm not wanting to rag on it but if you're looking at it from a fuel cost perspective only the calculations are similar for a Hybrid without the range anxiety.

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The Medical Centre blew off with my several lazer printers all restarting again and again until a smart sparky found they were the issue years later after spending a motza on stuff I didn't need once the problem was found. Hybids are fine. My tight wad backside still wants to leave the ONES WHO WILL NOT BE NAMED -Ok I have to now Spanner monkeys :), Appreciate it is always do it your way not as told by evangelist's types :)

What I already mentioned recently is that fuel, aka dyno juice (though it's actually dead plankton right? :P), is taxed into oblivion in most countries in the world. It's all nice and well that you pay less for electric charging at the moment but I am pretty sure it will not stay that way.

If the government loses billions in tax income from lack of fuel sales, they will get it somewhere else. You are not seriously suggesting they would just let you live cheaper right? :) Yes yes, solar could help but one of many things that could happen is: tax increase on solar panels, tax increase on home batteries, tax increase on kw/h from the grid or just a tax increase on your beer... you can bet that it will come out of your pocket :)

I have been looking into helping a mate of mine get off the grid (he has 50KW of solar on his roof). I am particularly knowledgeable of victron stuff since I have done the electrics on a number of yachts but they have some nice gear where you can set the max current from shore/generator (or in your case the grid) and if it hits that, it will start using extra from batteries. That could be a consideration for those with small single phase grid connections. It's a very expensive solution just for a induction hob though :)

Cheers,
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Said many times I'll never buy an EV. OK, so I lied. I win the lottery I'm getting one of these things. And taking it to Wombat.

https://youtu.be/2Cnt73jHJFI'si=aiQVou-9J6XlLp_4

Coll indeed but the first time one of these falls out of the sky and kills someone it will be game over unless you have a pilots license and the aircraft is fully certified by (Insert countries aviation authority here) so won't be any different from any other light aircraft. Forget about ever being able to have them fly over a populated area like a city as well - can you imagine if/when one killed someone on ground...

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Coll indeed but the first time one of these falls out of the sky and kills someone it will be game over unless you have a pilots license and the aircraft is fully certified by (Insert countries aviation authority here) so won't be any different from any other light aircraft. Forget about ever being able to have them fly over a populated area like a city as well - can you imagine if/when one killed someone on ground...

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Don't see them as being much different to an ultralight as far as regs go. And I sure wouldn't want to fly over a city.

I'd love to fly over/around places like the Simpson Desert in one of those.

They'll need to shield the rotors - anyone walking up to one is going to get cut in half.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

They'll need to shield the rotors - anyone walking up to one is going to get cut in half.

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No different to any light plane or the tail rotor on a helicopter.