Chemo express Long distance recovery!
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Originally Posted by
DiscoDB
4WD owners debating total GHG emissions over a vehicles total life cycle is some what ironic (in my opinion).
There are too many variables as it very much depends on where the raw materials come from, where the metals are made, where the car is made, where it is sold, where the fuel or electricity comes from to fuel that car, and what you assume is the life of the vehicle.
There is plenty of published data that shows EV’s do have lower CO2 emissions per km over the total life cycle, but this is very much dependent on where each part of the vehicles lifecycle comes from and the assumptions behind that.
Currently the biggest difference is for cars manufactured and sold in Europe - where total lifecycle emissions for a BEV are estimated to be between 30-40% compared to an ICE. Most EV’s would be ahead by about year 4 or 5. But if the car is built in China, using raw materials from Australia, and then sold back to Australia the break even point can easily be 2-4 times longer (if not more if using coal powered electricity).
Providing all parts of the life cycle use renewables, then over the full life time an EV can be expected to be much much lower, and would be carbon neutral within a few years, but we have a long way to go to achieve this. Especially in countries like China, the US, and Australia where coal still plays a big part of our energy mix.
And yes - like the tobacco industry disputing health data, the American Petroleum Institute does dispute these studies, claiming that based on their analysis total GHG emissions from an ICE can be “similar” to a BEV. (Similar does not mean lower). Again - it all depends on the assumptions made in the model.
Meanwhile people should just enjoy what ever they drive safe in the knowledge that your individual impact is insignificant.
Now I did read a report that having a child is 7 times worse for the environment than the next 10 most discussed mitigating actions any individual can take. Which is proof that we can all blame the parents!
So to our millennials - I say have one less kid, enjoy having more money, get a V8 4WD and an EV sedan, and be happy!
Debate is good[biggrin][biggrin]
Excuse this one as it is EV and may belong in Grumpy OLD bugger thread[bigwhistle]
The Chemo express is doing double duties this weel. A PET scan in Geelong arranged last Tuesday for early morning this Thursday. Cancer transport ( Red Cross) accommodation the night before the early appointment in Geelong and Dad to respite care. All sweet?
A few questions later-
How far is Accommodation from Scan place-
A- About 1000 metres or a bit more
Issue- Cannot walk nearly that far!
Has transport been arranged?
- No- could not be done as appointment was not seen by the people who do that until today and cars are all booked out a week or more in advance!
Has respite care been arranged?
NO.
IT WASN'T me
Guess who is now driving back to pick up deliver and return with or without the NavyD Senior[biggrin] Suspect the short range EV will hit 50,000 km by week end[bigwhistle] Its not my weekend spoilt. Its my working week:bat::bat::bat:
Other people organizational skills are interesting to watch and impact on others
