Thread: EV general discussion

I had a small (125ltr) electric tank in the garage when I first bought my place in Tassie.
After searching all the alternatives, I had a Bosch 3000 compress heat pump 270 ltr put in.
My electric bill for hot water dropped around 65%.
You can program it for when it comes on/off 7/365 days a year.
Always got hot water and it sits outside my ensuite. When I pass it when its on,you get a low humming sound out of it,walk a few feet away and you cant hear it.
Think the all up cost of install was just shy of 4G, but it is worth it.Tank was around 3350 I think,might be a bit cheaper on the mainland.

cheers
DG

Took my quirky EV back this morning for not getting the promised range I paid for or not charging correctly. almost certain it is a Battery B.M.S. software.

They gave me a new one while they test what is wrong. I had for a moment thought my Disco was about to be fired up again

Interesting to see a EV range database suggesting mine has range of 220km which is 40km below the advertised range of 266km?

The database also had a probably real "between 155 - 335 km" for the MG XS ev. A merc not yet here in Australia had "between 470 - 895 km" That's a Mercedes EQS 450+

An in theory Tesla truck (2022) had "between 540 - 1080 km" Adding the 200Kwh battery in the specs for that is HUGE compared my puny 42KwH one.

Range of full electric vehicles cheatsheet - EV Database

EV Range claims are in my view a lot like hot air? Ditto for economy on petrol and diesel which is dependent on who, how and where the car/truck is driven of course.

WLTP was supposed put an end to fantasy fuel economy figures? (World harmonised Light vehicle Testing Procedure)
It is "At 30 minutes test cycle, cars are driven at low (up to 60km/h), medium (up to 80km/h), high (up 100km/h) and very high (beyond 130km/h) speeds."
Shame Melb is still in Lock down. A run to Geelong or the Wurdi Youang (You Yangs) and back to see if the new MG did the same as mine would be very interesting. Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps later this week.

Will WLTP put an end to fantasy fuel economy figures?

It's good they are taking your issues seriously, but on claimed range I think OEM's need to be much more upfront if they want to get more people into them. Range anxiety is a huge issue for most people looking at EV's and seeing these sort of reports seems to reinforce this - there are heaps of similar threads on other forums/Reddit/etc.

Problem is none of the manufactures want to be seen as 'under performing' in this department so they all lie through their teeth - same as they do for ICE fuel economy, but most don't see this as an issue as there's always another servo just around the corner.

Now I know it will never happen but some legislation around real life performance for all OEM's for both ICE and EV's would be great - maybe to go with a lemon law that had some teeth - the industry really needs a shake up - they are a law unto themselves.

Hope they sort your quirky little car - would be good to hear you report back with 'I made it to Geelong and back on a charge' at some stage.

Problem will always be users.

Some want it freezing cold or boiling hot in cab.
Some have lead feet
Some drive in hilly areas a lot
Some run vehicles essentially empty other carry quite a bit in the vehicle.

I know when we looked at a few EVs we can make Adelaide - on a nice day, bugger all AC operating.
Make it a hot day and AC on full and we wouldn’t make it to Redhill

Seem to be a wide range of ways EV range is calculated, depending on factors such as what mix of urban and highway speeds is used, aircon on or off and the driving style. Same is true of ICE vehicles, of course.

How Is Electric Car Range Calculated?

I was impressed by the number of EVs in that link you quoted, most not even available in Australia. Shows how far behind the pack we are here.

Range of full electric vehicles cheatsheet - EV Database

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Took my quirky EV back this morning for not getting the promised range I paid for or not charging correctly. almost certain it is a Battery B.M.S. software.

They gave me a new one while they test what is wrong. I had for a moment thought my Disco was about to be fired up again

Interesting to see a EV range database suggesting mine has range of 220km which is 40km below the advertised range of 266km?

The database also had a probably real "between 155 - 335 km" for the MG XS ev. A merc not yet here in Australia had "between 470 - 895 km" That's a Mercedes EQS 450+

An in theory Tesla truck (2022) had "between 540 - 1080 km" Adding the 200Kwh battery in the specs for that is HUGE compared my puny 42KwH one.

Range of full electric vehicles cheatsheet - EV Database

EV Range claims are in my view a lot like hot air? Ditto for economy on petrol and diesel which is dependent on who, how and where the car/truck is driven of course.

WLTP was supposed put an end to fantasy fuel economy figures? (World harmonised Light vehicle Testing Procedure)
It is "At 30 minutes test cycle, cars are driven at low (up to 60km/h), medium (up to 80km/h), high (up 100km/h) and very high (beyond 130km/h) speeds."
Shame Melb is still in Lock down. A run to Geelong or the Wurdi Youang (You Yangs) and back to see if the new MG did the same as mine would be very interesting. Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps later this week.

Will WLTP put an end to fantasy fuel economy figures?

Originally Posted by Tombie

Problem will always be users.

Some want it freezing cold or boiling hot in cab.
Some have lead feet
Some drive in hilly areas a lot
Some run vehicles essentially empty other carry quite a bit in the vehicle.

I know when we looked at a few EVs we can make Adelaide - on a nice day, bugger all AC operating.
Make it a hot day and AC on full and we wouldn’t make it to Redhill

Yes, but the same as a realistic average fuel consumption for an ICE vehicle isn’t hard to work out based on asking a few people who own them - and this figure also isn’t close to what the car makers claims are so they are deliberately fudging the figures - not trying to get close as that’s what they all do and none of them are going to be the first to change that. Same for EV - BS claims that can be proved to be BS just by looking at some real world examples after a few months of that vehicle being in the real world.

It wouldn’t be hard to come up with an average that was closer to the truth but there is no will to do it.

As I said, with EV’s this issue is compounded as when I read post after post of owners not getting within a bulls roar of the claimed figures, it just hurts EV’s in general.

There are plenty of EV’s that claim 350 to 400KM - which is the distance to my Mums place - no charging stations to be seen either out there, so would I buy an EV that claims 400KM when it will probably only do 300 and leave me stranded before I get there or do I need to lash out on something that claims 500 plus KM - there aren’t too many of those about and the prices are eye watering - or do I just buy a new ICE vehicle as even if I bought one with a 100KM range there are 8 servos along the way.

Answer is pretty obvious and I’m far from the only one who is worried about range for these sort of trips. In 10 years their may be a charger somewhere along there but I’ll be retiring about then and who knows where Mum will be.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I was impressed by the number of EVs in that link you quoted, most not even available in Australia. Shows how far behind the pack we are here.

Range of full electric vehicles cheatsheet - EV Database

We aren’t behind anything - they’re completely impractical to most users and beyond the financial scope of many others.

Nothing to do with behind.

Right tool for the right job.